What if Sylvanas true plan is to free us from the cycle?

Before I begin, I just wanted to get something off my chest, that I am getting a little sick of everyone comparing Sylvanas to real world villains, I just don’t think this appropriate, and besides there is no comparison. Sylvanas is a fictional character and it has nothing to do with real life stuff. Now when I defend Sylvanas in wow, you have to take several things into consideration, that in warcraft cosmology, there is an after-life, the soul continues on, so that puts in a different context, in the real world whether or not there is an after-life is a question that humans have been asking themselves since we’ve been doing rock-painting in caves.

So when I make a Sylvanas thread you need to take that into consideration. To make it very clear, I don’t support the socialist policies of crazy leaders in real life like, fact my political view is that this socialism that’s rising up in western society is brutal, ugly, and very cruel, and anyone that supports it does it out of ignorance, as why socialism talks about equality, in reality it means you have to justify your very existence as nobody will ever be 100% equal, as what people want is the overthrow of the social order to establish something they think is better than capitalism or whatever.

But Sylvanas is beyond that, mortal empires to her like the Horde are nothing. Everyone is literally nothing. Which is fine, as it means we are beneath her notice, though we can be quivers in her arrow if we choose to be. And if you think about it, everything is destined be nothing in the end. She is also 100% correct when she says nothing lasts, we are all destined to wither and decay eventually, which means that from oblivion we came, so to oblivion we return.

But what if…what if what she is doing, is gaining power, so we can completely break the cycle of death and rebirth? That we can live forever…that we will be completely eternal, never to die, to be free to rule the cosmos and all the heavens throughout the eons until the last star in the sky goes dark, what if that’s the reality of what she is up to?

To me, that is a universe worth fighting for, in a way it almost has a biblical ring to it, at the moment we are literally nothing just pretending to be soldiers in tin plate misguided by concepts of ‘honor’ and other rubbish but what if what Sylvanas is trying to do for us, is to make us…eternal. We will be as Gods. Immortal, and death itself will be forever conquered and become a thing of the past.

Who wouldn’t want to live forever? Never having to worry about death and being judged by some Arbiter. I have every reason to believe that this is what Sylvanas is truly up to.

Think about it.

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I hope we ( everyone who isnt sylvanas ) ends up finding a way to solve whatever issue without sylvanas’ bullcrap lol.

Like imagine if we closed the shadowlands on her and just left her to her own fate, then we proceed to find another way to solve the issue.

That would make the expansion for me.

Sylvanas is just terrible, idc what her motivations are, she needs to go.

Also: me. I personally do not want to live forever.

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The Dark Lady Sylvanas Windrunner is taking on the TOUGHEST adversary for us. WoW’s parallel to hell itself!

I have no doubt she is in the right when all is revealed to us!

VICTORY FOR THE BANSHEE QUEEN

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And for that she traps tens of thousands of innocents in wow hell forever just so she doesn’t have to die.

I hope we free those innocents from the maw and send her into it instead. She has truly earned her place in hell.

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Once we find out what her terrible plan is we will most likely roll our eyes as itll be terrible writing, shell prob be killed off or get the Illidan treatment, and that she STILL slaughtered tons of innocent people ( ie darn etc ) for no reason.

There was prob better ways to do what she is doing but she thinks shes the only one who can do it or is just up to normal sylvanas crap and is gonna keep screwing over both factions while the loyalists keep bending over for her lol.

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The whole point of an analogy is to draw a parallel between two things. And there are plenty of parallels between Sylvanas and real world villains.

Never dying means starving eternally because there’s no way to provide enough food for an exponentially growing population.

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Genn Greymane caused Teldrassil. His hands are not clean in this. And his provocation of the Dark Lady directly lead to the real threat she sees in Alliance to her plans, her plans which benefit her and her allies.

He attacked her in Stormheim causing her to need a new way to fuel her power. Had she had the Valkyr? Perhaps no war.

But he messed her plans up, AND he showed her the Alliance will never be trusted, and will always be aggressive even when she is on her own business which as a sovereign leader is her right!

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If she had the Val’kyr? She would still have gone to war. The whole Jailer thing started back in Cataclysm. She was always going to look for a way to cause massive casualties.

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Ouu I like your idea better!

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Blizzards stance on WoW is that it is not Earth.

It is why they view humans as diverse in their entirety and need no explanation for including it in game finally. Which I applaud them for greatly. But it also sets the precedent that they are very clear this is not Earth. And real world parallels to shame fans in WoW is not cool.

The OP is making the most important point when stating this, and I think it’s important to remember that the use of real world parallels in this regard is meant to shame when they have no place really.

And for a more accurate real world parallel she’s more like Margaret of Anjou, but I haven’t seen anyone make that comparison. Why? Because they aren’t either knowledgeable on her, nor do they want to be knowledgeable on historical parallels they just want to make a cheap historical parallel meant to shame Sylvanas fans.

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If Sylvanas had an end goal that would be good for other people, why not tell them that back when she still had an ounce or two of respectability? Honestly, she could’ve strung the Horde along much better with a “stick with me and I’ll make you all immortal lords of creation” line than just insisting that they listen to their warchief no matter how stupid she sounds.

“I would have left you alone if you’d let me enslave a goddess” is not the way to claim the moral high ground, FYI.

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Head canon presumptions. We can’t know for sure but we do know is that the Valkyr in Stormheim were her original plan. Why would you need two plans. Unless you enjoy redundancy?

So she made a personal vendetta into a mass slaughter. Makes sense rofl :joy:

So logical you loyalists /s

No. She slaughtered people to get stronger, she can say it is for whatever reason but it’s all for her and her revenge bullcrap. Period. Shes a selfish abomination that will hopefully be dealt with.

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He made a personal vendetta into an act of war. Which caused her two ruin her Stormheim plans. We know she uses the war to fuel her own power, which we logically can assume was the point of the Stormheim plan. Why would you need two plans, perhaps plan one was enough to break the shadowlands. So he caused Plan two, and plan two is now more of a necessity for survival because she now believes her survival is in danger because he’s dangerous.

OK? And? Analogies can still be made between fictional characters and real people.

They have a place. You and the other “loyalists” keep trying to restrict the discussion because you know how weak your arguments really are.

Shame Sylvanas fans? Really? Try again with a real argument instead of playing the victim card.

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So invading Gilneas, slaughtering a large chunk of the population, including his son, wasn’t an act of war?

And saved existence as we know it. We’d still be knee deep in demons if the Legion portal had never been closed.

Her plan is pure selfishness. She’s doing anything she can to keep herself from dying.

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Yeah shame Sylvanas fans. I can sit here and link every time non Sylvanas fans start using real world parallels to name call and shame, but I’m not interested in it. The point is it happens, if you’re active in these conversations which I know you are because we’ve spoken before I find it hard to believe you turn a blind eye to it, but apparently you do, that’s fine but Sylvanas fans will continue to take the high ground when making points as well as ask others to keep the conversation civil. Why is that a problem?

If insulting Sylvanas is shaming you, then you need to seriously reconsider your position.

Also? High ground? Don’t make me laugh.

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No you’re entitled to your POV of Sylvanas don’t twist my words please. But making real world parallels and then making direct insinuations to our real world morals and then not calling out trolls who then jump in to name call as you continue to make judgement calls, is shaming yes.

I’m not twisting your words. I’m just pointing out what you’re saying.

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