I thought this was referenced a few times in the BFA prepatch, and then again in the post BFA Q&A.
I see some changes to elemental and resto... but enhance got a bandaid 5% dps increase (which they rolled back in pvp), and some azerite trait changes. Warcraft Logs shows Enh at the bottom 4 dps again last week.
Hardly a rework.
I check WoWhead and MMO-Champ daily and still i dont see any significant changes. Is this still happening? Is there a timetable for this rework??
What the hell is going on??
The real question is if this is all the changes why did it need to wait for 8.1?
To anyone bringing up the fact that 'rework' was not guaranteed, i post this EXCELLENT question by Thundris below.
If our rotation, talents, skills, resource system were not going to be tuned. Why the !@#$ did it take 2 months to give us a 5% buff?
If this is all we get after the promises to look at our class, then this will be truly a tragedy for the Shamans.
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They never claimed it was a rework. The community twisted the words.
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Look if you want Blizz to pay attention to Shaman and touch up more than just a few talents for one spec it’s going to cost us a raid tier.
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10/18/2018 08:36 PMPosted by
Dalrox
They never claimed it was a rework. The community twisted the words.
There was never a specific comment for rework I 100% agree.... but the community did not overly twist words. Anyone reading below would assume Shamans had a specific change incoming.
In beta 6/14/18:
Ion stated in a Q&A:
* Feel, pacing, complexity and other rotation feedback is ongoing, but soon the target will shift to changes being put in Patch 8.1.
* Enhancement Shaman, Elemental Shaman, Shadow Priest have been talked about recently.
Ion in the "ask me anything" 9/14/18:
Ion stated as an example:
* For Elemental and Enhance, they both could use their niches more clearly defined, and there are some rotational/talent issues that we've seen raised, which are beyond the scope of hotfix-level tuning and will have to wait for an upcoming patch.
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10/19/2018 01:31 AMPosted by
Kath
10/18/2018 08:36 PMPosted by
Dalrox
They never claimed it was a rework. The community twisted the words.
There was never a specific comment for rework I 100% agree.... but the community did not overly twist words. Anyone reading below would assume Shamans had a specific change incoming.
In beta 6/14/18:
Ion stated in a Q&A:
* Feel, pacing, complexity and other rotation feedback is ongoing, but soon the target will shift to changes being put in Patch 8.1.
* Enhancement Shaman, Elemental Shaman, Shadow Priest have been talked about recently.
Ion in the "ask me anything" 9/14/18:
Ion stated as an example:
* For Elemental and Enhance, they both could use their niches more clearly defined, and there are some rotational/talent issues that we've seen raised, which are beyond the scope of hotfix-level tuning and will have to wait for an upcoming patch.
This, and seeing the only change being a 5% damage buff that ends up reverted in pvp along with a nerf to our healing and mana gen in pvp is why my sub is running out.
Promise that there will be positive change only to end up with a simple 5% damage buff to pve and numerous nerfs in pvp.
Time to wait for next expansion where they will take the time to refine the classes before the damn expac releases.
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I mean, the new talents on the PTR significantly changed how I was playing (on the target dummy). I was hoping for a rework on the level of survival hunter / demo lock, but the changes are certainly there. We'll see how much of a difference it makes in an actual mobile raid environment...
As for PvP? Ehh, I expect to still be trash (but that's because I'm trash at PvP no matter what I play).
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10/19/2018 04:53 AMPosted by
Magmir
I mean, the new talents on the PTR significantly changed how I was playing (on the target dummy). I was hoping for a rework on the level of survival hunter / demo lock, but the changes are certainly there. We'll see how much of a difference it makes in an actual mobile raid environment...
As for PvP? Ehh, I expect to still be trash (but that's because I'm trash at PvP no matter what I play).
Play Rogue, Warrior, Surv Hunter or Demon Hunter and enjoy smashing the keyboard with your beard and defeat 70% of the classes in the game :D
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Play Rogue, Warrior, Surv Hunter or Demon Hunter and enjoy smashing the keyboard with your beard and defeat 70% of the classes in the game :D[/quote]
Nothing against you but a mmorpg is suppose to be a game that looks down on rerolling. You are suppose to pick a class and stick with it and shaman has been mine yes we see dark times more than good but our time will come.
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you got talents reworked thats it.
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We were overpowered and didn't even know it.
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The real question is if this is all the changes why did it need to wait for 8.1?
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Cause they can't hotfix in talent changes those have to wait for a major patch.
The flame shock change going from 18 to 24 could have been patched in. I'll give you that.
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8.1 changes
Restoration Shaman- Healing Surge removed, Healing Rain duration reduced to 5 seconds, radius reduced to 2 yards. Spirit Link Totem removed, it was infringing on disc priest utility.
Discipline Priest - Atonement healing increased by 30%, Shadowmend no longer has a damage over time effect. New spell added, Spirit Link Totem.
Enhancement Shaman - Healing spells removed, replaced with a 2 minute reincarnate. Damage reduced by 10%.
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I'm not holding my breath for changes. Every spec of shaman needs help in some way for pvp and pve. Yes enhance seems ok in pvp but not fun like it did pre nerfs(not saying I want to be op)the mana regen nerf makes us so clunky its not fun. I've never played another class and at this moment in time I want to. Feels like they don't know what to do with us, so they just over react and over nerf us. Malestorm+mana gimmick is not fun, I miss our actual totems that enhanced us and our allies, wish each spec had their own elemental, our rotation is proc garbage. I hate that we rely on procs and we don't feel like hybrids anymore. Not gonna act like I know the answer to fixing us but something needs to change for all 3 specs. Just look at ele compared to every other ranged class, they're out classed in every single way(including warlocks). Goes about the same for enhance now.
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I'd prefer they get rid of maelstrom, no on asked for it, mana was fine.
Infact, I'd prefer they would ask us what we would like to see with the class before they go making changes we do not like.
I'd like my totems back, not talents pve or pvp, but I'd like my totems back in my regular kit.
What I would really prefer, if they roll us back to MoP.
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10/19/2018 01:49 PMPosted by
Bipst
Cause they can't hotfix in talent changes those have to wait for a major patch.
The flame shock change going from 18 to 24 could have been patched in. I'll give you that.
Yea i agree with that, as do most shaman who are sticking around and playing the class.
The point im making is that there is still zero update on the PTR with the direction they are going with Shaman.
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I'd prefer they get rid of maelstrom, no on asked for it, mana was fine.
Infact, I'd prefer they would ask us what we would like to see with the class before they go making changes we do not like.
I'd like my totems back, not talents pve or pvp, but I'd like my totems back in my regular kit.
What I would really prefer, if they roll us back to MoP.
Uhh as a person that have been dropping totems since Vanilla im glad the generic ones are gone for good.
Do you really want generic and flat abilities like Totem Mastery???
I like our cooldown oriented totems though, this has been a step in a good direction.
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I'd prefer they get rid of maelstrom, no on asked for it, mana was fine.
Infact, I'd prefer they would ask us what we would like to see with the class before they go making changes we do not like.
I'd like my totems back, not talents pve or pvp, but I'd like my totems back in my regular kit.
What I would really prefer, if they roll us back to MoP.
Uhh as a person that have been dropping totems since Vanilla im glad the generic ones are gone for good.
Do you really want generic and flat abilities like Totem Mastery???
I like our cooldown oriented totems though, this has been a step in a good direction.
I've been dropping totems since vanilla too friend, I'd rather see our totem kit come back to us.
Blizzard doesn't have a clue what they're doing with shamans, their vision of the class is just crap.
Maelstorm is dumb, heavy feast or famine is also very unwelcome.
Windfury was a great feature of the class and now it's been reduced to stupidity.
I would rather see Enhance shaman return to the high pressure class, Elemental burst, and Resto when their healing kit didn't require everyoen to be in one huge obnoxious clump.
Honestly I'm starting to wonder why mmo devs are in this industry if they're not trying to turn out the best product they possibly can, if it's going to be a half-baked design why change it?
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You cant believe anything they say. Over a month ago they said “next patch gonna address lock and dk”, they werent touched.
So there will be no rework in 8.1 for shaman, lock, dk, or spriest....mm hunter is getting the rework instead
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You cant believe anything they say. Over a month ago they said “next patch gonna address lock and dk”, they werent touched.
So there will be no rework in 8.1 for shaman, lock, dk, or spriest....mm hunter is getting the rework instead
The next patch hasn't hit yet..
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