it’s kind of confusing now. First off, slayer or colossus? I ask some warr streamers and they just say they are playing 1 vs. the other, it looks like slayer might be better overall?
Then when you actually dive into the talents, some are playing thunderous roar, some are playing spear, some are playing both, why would you not run spear for example when you can seemingly have it and not lose anything else?
v confused tbh
Slayer arms with 20% haste and the rest vers mastery felt the best to play with on my team.
Won a lot of games with just rando 3-4 mil executes.
I feel like not playing spear is pretty troll even if you don’t get value out of it offensively you can use it to completely peel an enemy on their burst window.
I think crit haste vers is also good. Crit damage is additive and arms has a lot of +crit damage from talents. Crit is underrated for several specs, in my opinion.
i thought ever since crit multipliers got nerfed in pvp it kinda fell off hard
Yes, for example specs like arms and marks will want to be pushing 40% base crit in pve because it is that good for them. Reducing base effectiveness of crit by 50% does not necessarily reduce its value by 50% because the crit damage talents are additive, and most of the specs with +crit damage talents have significant base modifiers to their spells (which started in df when they nerfed crit).
You only take advantage of the crit damage multipliers in your talents if you’re critting, and there’s a point where even at half effectiveness, putting some points into crit will still net more damage than more haste or mastery.
Honestly I’ve been yoloing with crit as survival lol. I like to see crits 
Haste arms 
Both are very good and it’s a playstyle preference thing!
Nah arms is unplayable f tier fodder if you get executed for 5m just wall moron 2 ez
Crit is really good for all of the hunter specs. Really undervalued by a lot of people. The one talent that increases your tos buff by your crit chance makes it scale super well for sv.
yeah but hitting 20% while chasing other stats is super easy for BM. I think I’m at like 22% crit 30% haste 30% mastery and 21% vers (needs work)
If you look at it more as a wholistic function, there’s always a point at which the stat you have the least of is the most valuable one. I am not saying that haste mastery specs should go full crit. But a lot of specs that really really really like crit in pve (ones that want to push past 40%) still probably benefit more from crit than anything else, even at 50% efficacy - to a point. Getting to 8-10k crit rating as a function of sacrificing some of all of your other stats instead of just cutting one in half can be a good idea.
Crit damage talents are additive. Effects like master marksman, tip of the spear, etc. don’t have a 1:1 impact with 50% base crit effectiveness. Just saying it’s being way overlooked at large.