I just get tired of saying"Dude, slow down", " Dude watch your stacks", " Dude, its bursting.". I was in a +10 Wm, we were doing ok, I was healing like crazy cus tank just kept going, got in a tight spot n wiped. They called me a trash healer. I said I have been 30k+ hps whole dungeon. Theys said I should be 50k+ hps and belittled me to the point I left. It was a Ragnaros group. I mean wtf do you want me to do when you are not doing the mechanics whatsoever…
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Yup, same response on disc at WM a little while ago. As you watch the tank run into the next room and out of line of sight before being topped up, there is not much you can do. It is not bad to heal disc this week–I did it at FH no problem because there werent any LOS issues, and the tank was smart. As for tanks and dps who are oblivious to what bursting means, well… There is not much you can do but go holy. I am reforging my gear for holy for the rest of the week. It’s a sad shame, but you cant heal through stupid.
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This goes back into one of my previous posts,
“Disc is good so long as the group is good.”
My problem with this statement is that other healers are elevated by a good group. Disc relies on it.
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That’s false though. All healers (disc included) can heal through varying levels of fail.
While true, Disc is the most impacted and most hampered by unpredictable damage due to their design.
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Honestly, I think you hit the nail on the head. Considering there are groups that run with no healer, you are absolutely correct. If the group knows how to interrupt, dodge and generally do the mechanics then disc is the best healer bar none. It is the same in raid. If people know what a disc priest can do, then you are gold. Otherwise, you are just hitting your head against the wall on weeks like this–with bursting. You can’t heal through stupid. You can’t heal much if your tank runs away and the dps dont take mobs down one at at time.
Bosses within M+ have various different types of damage. Some bosses just do a lot ( Tol’dagor last boss for example.) Disc is fine healing through bosses that do immense multi-target damage. Thus, disc will also be fine healing through trash packs that do similar amounts of damage.
As for the “unpredictable” aspect, what do you think power word: radiance is? It also has two charges. When there’s only five targets, needing to anticipate damage doesn’t matter all that much.
Your point is valid, but this is with regards to unpredictable damage. Think someone accidentally getting hit by cannons on last boss Tol’Dagor (And assume they survive), or getting hit by a barrel from Valyri, etc.
PW:R is costly, has a moderate cast time, and the heal itself isn’t great. Pumping Schism + Solace + PotDS Penance definitely puts some throughput in there, but:
- You have 2 charges on an 18 second recharge, and even with the PW:R trait, you can’t back-to-back them outside of one ‘full’ rotation.
- Schism is a 24 second cooldown, so you better hope nobody takes any more unpredictable damage during cooldown, because I can guarantee you Solace + Penance + Smite spam isn’t going to cut it
- Shadowmend often can’t compete with strong single-target damage, and is costly as well.
- PW:R is best used proactively, before damage goes out.
PW:R is best used proactively, before damage goes out.
Hopefully not? That’s a huge waste. PW:R is for playing catch up. As for mana costs - it’s not really an issue since on trash healers shouldn’t run OOM.
PW:R does squat for healing. I’ve been running two on my azerite armor because of having no other options. And have discovered it does next to nothing. PW:R, in my experience, has little value except to get out atonement in one swoop.
PW:R does squat for healing. I’ve been running two on my azerite armor because of having no other options. And have discovered it does next to nothing. PW:R, in my experience, has little value except to get out atonement in one swoop.
Obviously, and atonement is how disc heals.
I disagree. In raids, you use it proactively. In M+, you want to use it proactively to go straight into Schism + Solace + Penance, etc. Now, you could time it so it goes out right as the damage goes out, (Assuming its predictable) but the less GCDs you need to use when the damage is already out, the better.
In m+ you can use power word shield or shadow mend to apply atonement. Using PWR for that is a waste. The only time that should happen is if you’re falling behind.
Discipline is founded on this premise. You get your atonement out to your group before the damage comes in. You get it out right before the damage comes in. Not after.
If I shadow mend, I run out of mana in no time. And the healing sucks. It also wastes time when you could be dpsing with PW:R out.
In reality, PWR has a cooldown and only two charges. Even if you spam it on CD, it’ll only be up 50% of the time. So no, you can’t use it liberally to apply atonements at will.
As for shadow mend spam and running OOM- we must be playing different games. Disc can shadow mend for quite some time before running oom.
PW:S is a waste on anything other than the initial pull and when setting up Rapture. You should always Shadowmend to apply atonement during a pull. I stated in my post that it was with regards to predictable damage that you would use PW:R proactively, you don’t just cast it on cooldown.
Well, maybe. But in my experience, it is better to bubble when you cant use PW:R. But it depends. If you are only healing the tank, I bubble him. If the group needs healing, then I use PW:R. If PW:R is on cooldown, then I bubble first. IF there are no targets to attack, then I use Shadow Mend. There is also Penance, and I prefer to use it over Shadow Mend.
If it’s predictable damage, you shouldn’t use PW:R unless if there’s no unpredictable damage that is possible.
There is also Penance, and I prefer to use it over Shadow Mend.
Oy vey, defensive penance.
Penance is great if you are moving. The tanks starts running, you hit him, or anyone in your group with it and run. Shadow Mend requires you to plant.