What Do Classic Enjoyers Have Against Hybrid Buffs (Classic+ Discussion)

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It’s much harder to form a 40 man raid than 25. Therefore by lowering the amount of players required, you get more raid groups and more people raiding.

It’s also easier for them to design encounters with fewer players involved.

I was born in the '70s, btw. And everything I’ve said is how things were. You really don’t have a clue.

You’re dead wrong, and you probably never stepped into raids or were clueless, so you wasted 2 years of your game playing trying to hit level cap and thought that everyone fails hard as you.

You basically can’t fail though, and I’d argue the chance of failing is a necessity for it to qualify as a game mode and not simply a glorified tutorial.

I can picture a nursing home full of old men arguing over what WoW was like in 2004.

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I was just watching some TBC ret videos the other day. If you know how to seal twist, and the tanks don’t spam move the bosses around like they are tweaking on drugs, you can do some real crazy dmg. But it’s like Wind Fury, up to the RNG gods… Plus, most raids in TBC still aren’t bringing more than one ret, even if you are capable of doing top 3 dmg. (which a geared ret in TBC can do with the right gear / person).

Yes, the nursing home will be filled with talks about how WoW was/used to be, while Usher’s “Yeah” screams on the CD player someone brought with them. Ahh good times.

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Ret getting good happens when armor pen enters the stat lists and ret juat falls behind warrior and rogue more

You could sum of the entirety of this post with “why are players against making changes in classic”.

When I first heard of SoD I thought it would be an expansion of Vanilla, a real Classic+. I didnt expect it to be Vanilla with abilities mixed in from other expansions and BFD turned into a raid, SoD was disappointing and I’m hoping for a real Classic+ experience at some point in the future.

I enjoy the design of Vanilla and instead of heading towards the direction of retail I want to experience expansions if we went the other route and stayed true to Vanilla’s design.

I think classic+ would need to evolve from regular era.

Same template but harder raids and more abilities and definitely better balancing.

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Was always my hope. SoD seemed like it had a lot of promise to make good on that, but it went WAY too far and WAY too crazy.

Do you really expect that? Do you think Blizz is going to commit that time and resources for a true ‘Classic+’ type project?
It’s not even ‘sold’ like Retail expansions are. Even more importantly…Retail has the cash shop. The cash shop and micro-transactions are the real money makers of WoW. So that’s where the company invests. The return on investment in Classic is incredibly low in regards to true development.

However, it basically prints easy money as just re-releasing it again and again. Selling Deluxe Editions for each expansion, as well as boosts. And stuff like SoD where they experiment a little bit. But let’s be honest…not much went into that. They took a bunch of TBC and Wrath abilities and shoved it into Vanilla content. Their original content has been buggy and broken.

Anyway, feel free to keep hoping. Hope springs eternal, but so does disappointment.