So whatever the truth turns out to be about this whole ‘Sylvanas ordered the Wrathgate’ thing… I’m curious: for all you players who were there for the original Wrathgate event, to the best of your recollection, what did you believe at the time?
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Sylvanas was telling the truth, it was Varimathras and Putress going rogue and staging a coup, and all the suspicion was just anti-Forsaken bigotry. The Dark Lady may be coldly pragmatic, but she’s still one of the ‘good guys’.
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Sylvanas ordered that the blight be prepared for the attack, and she wouldn’t have cared about some collateral damage… but slinging it into the living ON PURPOSE (the first blast detonates BEHIND everyone, preventing escape… nowhere near Arthas) while shouting ‘and Death to the Living’… that’s Putress taking it too far. Sylvanas wouldn’t have been that reckless, and doesn’t HATE the living.
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Sylvanas ordered them to kill Arthas, no matter what, and then Varimathras and Putress used the opportunity to rebel.
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Sylvanas ordered the attack, hoping to kill everyone because that really is her ultimate goal… but the red dragons intervened, leaving witnesses, so she had to go to plan B and lay it all on some patsies.
You can cut and paste your answer, to evade the 10 character requirement.
Personally, at the time, I wanted 1) to be the case but I was pretty sure it was 2). Sylvanas and her Forsaken were only borderline psychopaths, who were still on our side. I felt Varian was wrong to want to exterminate them ( I remember feeling sorry for the Forsaken refugees camped out in Orgrimmar), and I thought stationing the Kor’kron in Undercity was just Thrall appeasing people’s fears.
You?
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I knew Sylvanas made the blight. I didn’t think she’d be stupid enough to use it on her damn allies.
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I wouldn’t be surprised. She hated Arthas more than anything and I feel like she wouldn’t mind sacrificing her allies for a crack at taking him down at long last.
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Sylvanas would do anything to kill Arthas. That’s what I think.
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2 at first. 4 after Cata and the Gilneas opener.
I was under the impression that Sylvanas ordered the creation of the new Blight. But Putress and Varimathras used it at the Wrathgate for their own coup, which was not part of her plan.
I don’t see why she would plague her own allies and turn both factions against her. There was no guarantee it would work on Arthas so it seems pretty risky to gamble it all on one attack.
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Hatred does that to a person.
After seeing her use it on her allies in Lordaeron, she was already stupid.
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I always knew she was responsible and never bought her lies. All you had to do was roll a Worgen and see the starting zone to know exactly what kind of person she is.
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- I also feel she had other plans in place, but with the Lich King still alive she cancelled those attacks.
I don’t believe “Death to the Living” is meaningless rhetoric, nor do I believe she feels there is any exception to the creed, either.
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I think I was with the theory that Sylvanas was behind it all but dropped it after hardly any evidence was presented in the following expansions. Given her utter hatred for Arthas, I think she took a good opportunity to try to end him once and for all, damn the friendly fire.
It can go either one of two ways. Putress could be playing the villain role to the fullest amount as to not let his queen take any blame for this or Putress decided to betray Sylvanas after Wrathgate.
Most likely 2, Sylvanas is extremely tactical and strategic. Bombing her own allies would have worked against her and the forsaken, which it did. I think she wanted to use the plague on Arthas but Varimathras and Putress went too far with it.
This one.
And I say that as someone who played through the event on an alliance and horde character. I 100% believed Putress went rouge, because Sylvanas wanted Arthas dead. She had no long term plans, that was her goal and one the horde and alliance shared, it made no sense for her to sign off on killing members of either faction.
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I await to see what new ideas come out of this creatively bankrupt story arc.
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I believed what Blizzard presented us with since, y’know, Blizzard has never been subtle.
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If they retcon wrathgate to be directly ordered by her, then that kinda kills the story. Literally everyone would have just nuked the Forsaken after that.
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I don’t think they’re going to retcon it. I rather think that they can just play this straight if they wish, in other words, the entire time it actually WAS her plan, but she played innocent as to keep her alliances intact, and the whole time was thinking “Heehee, those morons [including us] actually bought it!”.
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Definitly 3 or 4. Now, I’m still rather new to the game but I’ve played through a lot of the old content… Sylvanas has always been shady and completely jaded against living things.
It amuses me when people cry about their precious dark lady being retconned and how out of character it is…
when it’s not a retcon and when it really, really isn’t out of character.
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Pretty sure the story was already a mess the moment Alliance got hold of a spaceship capable of orbital bombardment and haven’t used it.
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Having it be all her plan makes no sense. She fought Varithmathras and Putress along side the Thrall, Baine, etc in the retaking of Undercity. One sentence from either of them saying it was her plan or any kind of shock that she was killing them would have outted her plan, but they said nothing.
Unless of course, you think Varithmathras and Putress were so loyal to her that they willingly sacrificed themselves for her plan…do you think that?
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Well, before I go into what I think, let’s discuss what we already know.
-Sylvanas is not stupid.
-Sylvanas likes to be left alone and work in private (she never delved into Horde politics without the horde petitioning her aid)
-Sylvanas was working on multiple plagues
-Sylvanas hates only the living that stands in her way. She tolerates all others.
-The Horde mistrusts Sylvanas due to her preference for seclusion.
- The dreadlord in the UC joined her cause because he felt she could beat Arthas. He tried to join the side that was more likely to be victorious. In the Warcraft RTS games, there were 3 dreadlords assisting Arthas. 2 were killed and the one spared sided with Sylvanas.
WIth that in mind, I think putress and the dreadlord made an opportunistic strike on their own. Putress, as a scientist, was probably eager to employ the plague he had been developing and the dreadlord probably had his own motives. The wrathgate provided an opportunity to satisfy both individuals.
I don’t think Sylvanas would torch both factions, even if she thought there would be no witnesses because Arthas was still in play here and she’d need help to take him down. Additionally, making this attempt would focus the lens on her, despite not wanting the attention.
I felt that her motive in WotLK was vengeance upon Arthas and I don’t think she’s dumb enough to think that she could kill Arthas with a plague. As a result, if the goal was to torch her own people, what could be gained from that?
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