Uther crossed a line when he took the soul of Arthas and threw it into the maw, not letting the Arbiter decide his fate. But what do you think the Arbiter would have done with him? The only two realistic choices are Revendreth or the Maw. But was he Maw material? For reference, Kael’thas got a second chance in Revendreth, even though he betrayed his people and sided with the Burning Legion.
Revendreth for sure
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It doesn’t seem like any souls go directly to the Maw from Oribos. Revendreth is everyone’s last chance, the Maw is only for those who fail the program. So the venthyr make that decision, not the Arbiter.
Questing around Revendreth you see some people have done crimes on par with or even worse than Arthas and they still got the redemption shot.
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Even succeeded in their redemptions.
Plus I think the Arbiter would only look at the sins Arthas did prior to picking up Frostmourne, as he was a slave to Ner’zhul after picking up the cursed blade. As his soul was trapped inside Frostmourne. Which honestly makes what Uther and Devos did even worse. As they condemned someone to WoW hell when his actions to Uther were not entirely his own.
Who knows, maybe Maldraxxus, since they like to take awful people as long as they’re useful and they fight gud. If semi-evil people can get sent to the Maw while other worse people go to Revendreth for destroying planets, and terrible people can avoid all atonement by being selected by Maldraxxus, then I’m tempted to say that the Arbiter’s judgement is terrible and without reason or justice.
I don’t trust the Jailer, but I’m still on team destroy-the-arbiter.
Those that fail in redemption refused to atone before they ran out of Anima.
The amount of Anima is proportionate to the actions committed in life so the most Cartoonishly evil Villains have more time to atone than the less Cartoonish Villains.
This is why the World Reaper was redeemed. Of course some Venthyr are willing to banish certain Sinners to the Maw automatically! Of course the Chamberlain has been doing that to every Disembodied Soul under his charge the moment he became the Harvester of Pride(which is why we killed him)!
Of course the Accuser while not automatic in her banishing to the Maw does have limits to her patience! There is a reason she only defied Sire Denathrius for going against the most sacred rituals and didn’t partake in Renathal’s initial rebellion!
The main flaw of Revendreth is the fact that the Venthyr feed on the Echoes of one’s Sins including Pride, Wrath, Greed, Envy and Desire! These Echoes should only be discarded to my mind. The only Echoes consumed should be Dread, Fatigue and Doubt.
What is Justice? Is it Balance? Balance would demand every Sentient being except the Smallest and most Vegetarian of Bugs have their Souls wiped out for every death they cause by their very existence!
Balance and Fairness is Arrogance! It is Self Righteousness!
We don’t know of anyone who was sent to the maw by the arbiter directly. The only two lore characters (prior to the Arbiter going offline) that got put in the Maw were Arthas (by Uther and Devos) and Sylvanas. Who most likely got dumped there by the remaining scourge Val’kyr on orders of the Jailer.
So who exactly are you referring to by “semi-evil people”?
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As pointed out by other people, there is a gentle stream of souls going into the Maw (from Oribos) prior to the Arbiter’s shutdown in the cinematic where red blob hits her. Watch it closely, you can see it. Clearly, there is not a constant stream of mortals in the universe that are committing crimes equivalent to eliminating entire worlds. Since people who do such things of that magnitude go to Revendreth, there are therefore a great many people who went to the Maw who have committed crimes less serious than wiping out planets.
As long as you don’t claim that the clearly visible stream of pre-Arbiter-shutdown Maw-bound souls is an oversight by Blizzard, it is unavoidable. There is no crime greater than destroying your whole planet, and such a crime nets you Revendreth, so all souls that went to the Maw have been wronged.
“Semi-evil” is anything that is less evil than the most evil crime committed that still gets you in Revendreth, which is, as far as we know at this time, planet-destroying. As such, a whole lot of semi-evil people were damned.
Yes there is, destroying your entire planet, then portaling to another planet to destroy it and its entire population as well.
Good Example, Ner’zhul, he blew up Draenor, then tried to portal somewhere else to presumably do it all over again. Luckily Kil’jaeden caught him, and not so luckily made him the Lich King.
Once again, Revendreth is designed to purge away the sins that cause those actions. Not the actions themselves. They seek to purge away the seven deadly sins. With this in mind the Arbiter judges the souls on these as well. Those that the Arbiter views as having no chance of redemption are tossed to the maw, while those that show a chance that they can get sent to Revendreth. Of course if those souls refuse to atone for their sins, they get thrown into the maw.
Meanwhile souls that show loyalty and a devotion to duty are either tossed to Bastion or Maldraxxus. With maldraxxus also taking in those who love to do nothing but fight, mainly on a Saturday night. If a soul is attuned to nature in any significant way (say a wild god) they get sent to Ardenweald. Although even the Winter Queen was shocked when mortal souls got sent her way. Hence the whole soul shape thing.
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usually people who did their crimes while afflicted with a deadly sin like pride are consigned to revendreth, I believe people that lack any shred of actual human emotion or the ability to feel empathetic are sent to the maw. Or could very well be people that are actually a danger and can bypass the shadowlands system that get sent to the maw.
Right, the seven deadly sins, Wrath, Envy, Dread, Pride, Avarice, Desire, and Dominion… wait…
Anyway, the morality you describe is completely absent of any form of consequentialism. Destroy half the universe, but feel bad about it? Revendreth! Kill one person, but with no remorse? The Maw! I reject such a system outright as the most evil thing imaginable, and will then stick by my conclusion.
Of course, my argument depends on the “true” morality at least being somewhat consequentalist, because I didn’t think there were any people out there in the world that didn’t believe it to some extent. I guess you found a loophole, but I am morally shocked. I concede, in that sense, but am at a loss for words by the evil system of ethics required to circumvent my proof.
Oh yes cause eons of suffering as atonement is so horrible to you, you’d just rather have them suffer for all time.
wonder if it was his soulstone which was forged into this new mournblade for Anduin from recent cinematic
I mean, arthas’ soul does not deserve anything better
a good spanking
If he doesn’t deserve the Maw, then pretty much nobody in Warcraft lore does.
I mean…it seems unlikely he’d try the portal thing again.
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The Maw, when the Shadowlands is doing its job the right way, is reserved solely for those represent a threat to the entire shadowlands. And I high doubt that Arthas even qualifies.
Unless you’re referring to Lich King Arthas and not Death Knight Arthas.
The chunk of Soul that was in Death Knight Arthas was not in control over the Body as it gained it’s own autonomy and eventually threw the chunk of Soul into Frostmourne to join the rest of the Soul.
The body of course invaded the world yet held back to avoid becoming a puppet to the force controlling the Helm of Domination: the Jailer. I dare say that Soulless Body would have liked nothing more than to enslave all of existence and sit on his power!
Arthas’s Soul committed a desperate purging of Stratholme for the sake of mercy over just letting them become Undead Slaves followed by a backstabbing of Mercenaries so that he could avenge the enslaving Plague that required said mercy killing as well as save his country!
The Soul would go to Revendreth to have his Wrath, Desperation and Dread(the very Sins that drove him to the extremes he went towards) ripped out of him!
The last remnant of the Soulless Body I.E. the Memory of Arthas would be left untouched since Kyrian only bother with Souls that generate Anima not sentient Memories!
Of course if the Shadowlands cared truly about proper treatment of Souls and judgement they would have sought out the Sentient Memories and sent them to their proper places as well! The Maw would be insulted by the presence of a “Ghost” with absolutely no Anima but that’s a given.
Gul’dan? What about him?