You contradicted yourself in the first half of your first sentence. If I can kill you you’re not immortal. Being hard to kill or extremely long lived is not immortal.
You’re arguing semantics, that’s the thing. You know what I mean, you’re just splitting hairs.
But fine, I’ll exchange the word ‘immortal’ to ‘undead have the potential to be able to live forever.’
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I get the feeling that the WoW afterlife isn’t exactly Club Med. Maybe they’ve had a glimpse of the alternative and decided being undead is better than being dead-dead.
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Lately it seems as if their “Will of the Forsaken” is in reality “Will of Sylvanas.” They were just being lied to the whole time.
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Basically.
2, well 3 at some point, seem to break the mold.
One of them was killed off by Nathanos. Alas poor tide sage dude, we barely got to know you.
And the other 2 are on the crap lists. Alonsos and Calia. Me I like them. they actually show some depth here. Now many it seems hate them. they aren’t forsaken/horde enough.
Which I never got. We aren’t mindless zombies goes the forsaken base. Okay…so why are the 2 undead story chars who clearly show freewill and have gone off and done their own thing “bad”.
This is what happens when you have that free will. the Ashvane crew show this well. Say hello to the money grubbing humans who aren’t “for the alliance”. Some humans choose to be “for the alliance”. Others…don’t.
I’d actually find forsaken more interesting as a race to play if we could be more like Alfonsus or Calia. Not the contrived man I chose to follow sylvanas bit. Technically yes they did choose. Its the choice of do what the game says to or not have much of a game.
Sort of like on my demon hunter horde side. that blood elf serves the dark lady (even still after choosing the orc) or I don’t play BFA content on her. Some real good choices there. Not sure to whom though…lol.
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Of course immortal can be killed. In fiction, immortality means you cannot die of old age or disease. Immortals die from being destroyed, such as beheading.
Sira Moonwarden makes a lot of commentary about abandonment. About how the Kaldorei were betrayed by Elune because she allowed Teldrassil to happen, and she embraces undeath as a result because her Goddess did nothing to save her, or her people from burning to death, and just watched it happen.
Not to draw real life controversy or upsetting events, but during heavy times of war, or tragedy, sometimes we see people with faith begin waning. The idea that their chosen deity let this terrible event, or these people attack and kill innocents, is enough justification to turn their back because in the hour of most need, they received nothing. It’s a powerful emotion, really.
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When we see the Night Elves get raised by the Forsaken in Darkshore it really does make you think that there’s something about getting raised which might compel people to serve the person who cast the spell.
After all, the Lich King enthralled his Death Knights in a similar way.
From the short story Dark Mirror:
Nathanos looked down at his left hand. There was enough skin and sinew remaining to grasp a bow, and to teach even the clumsiest of his pupils how to nock an arrow. But he could tell that his strength had waned. His undead flesh continued its inevitable decay, and there would come a day when this hand would be rendered useless or rot away altogether. What good would he be to her then?
The Forsaken are in a perpetual state of decay. It may be slower than your standard corpse, and some like Sylvanas and Nathanos 2.0 are in a much better state of preservation, but they still decay. That doesn’t sound like immortality; more like a delay of the inevitable.
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He can get a new arm. I saw a new Forsaken getting a new jaw and another who had replacement hands, right there in the starting area.
Yes, and this would fit if she then followed Godfrey and decided she hated everybody. (Remember Godfrey? Now there was a guy with free will. I’m pretty sure Sylvanas remembers how that turned out for her. Specifically, in case you’ve forgotten, he shot her in the face.)
But what Sira actually DOES is immediately start serving the exact same person who destroyed Teldrassil. This is the direct equivalent of Sylvanas serving Arthas immediately after she was raised, which is one of the main hints that like Sylvanas before her, she does not have free will (yet).
“What difference is there between you and the Lich King now?” is the question Garrosh asked back in Cata. When your methods are too evil for Garrosh “the heart of an Old God sounds like a cool toy” Hellscream, you may have a problem.
It’s not the rejection of Elune that is hard to believe about Sira’s storyline. It’s the acceptance of Sylvanas.
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No, Godfrey shot her in the back of the noodle. (I’m kidding, it’s semantics, I know.)
This and also Sira expected Tyrande to show up in time to save her and stop Delaryn from being raised, and she showed up too late to stop either.
That’s a smart observation, I didn’t think about that, but if that were troo, the freshly killed Alliance wouldn’t join so easily I think.
They told me I could watch Ernest Scared Stupid whenever I wanted. Immediately I was like, “Yep. I want a part of this existence.”
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We see time and time again that corrupting magics like Fel, Shadow, Death, Void, and even Light will suddenly and drastically change a person’s mindset and personality.
A good example is the second boss of Blackwing Lair who we see getting corrupted right in front of us even if they fight it.
When an undead is raised they all seemingly have a much darker and malicious personality than they did before, even the nicest ones tend to see the world through ash colored glasses. Any negative thoughts they may have had in life tend to be amplified and focused, so people like Sira, who was already having doubts, would suddenly have those doubts amplified and focused to the point of being a driving force.
Imho Sylvanas has been secretly dominating the minds of some of the forsaken she has created, at least the newly raised night elves anyway, for some time. Her plan for Derek Proudmoore was just the first time anyone else in the Horde found out about it.
You know that meme of that old man shrugging and saying “I guess I’ll die”
It’s kinda like that. They wake up as Forsaken, shrug and go “I guess I’ll serve Sylvanas”.
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You outright made me laugh bro, that’s funny.
@Sincubus I like the way you worded that, is it set in stone though, or is it different for everyone?
During the Darkshore quests Sira Moonwarden says how she feels abandoned by Elune, Maiev, and Tyrande and resents them for what happened to Teldrassil.
I think it varies a lot between the individuals in how much they are turned. Some can be forced and others accept it more on their own, probably a mix of will and a natural attraction to the undead once turned. There are still those who defy this, Lord Godfrey for example managed to betray Sylvanas to the point where he killed her (one of her limited lives). While living he already had a disgust for the unnatural (worgens) so perhaps this played into why he wasn’t so compelled to side with her.