We had this discussion the other night, and we settled on Warrior being the best class with the most useful talent trees. Priests are pretty good too.
Who has some of the worst talent trees? Paladins? Shaman? Other?
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I think shaman trees are great. The problem (end game) is proper gear for non healing shamans.
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druid talents are pretty bad and spread out for non-healing specs
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The enhancement talent tree is an absolute joke. Y’all have to talent into the ability to parry lmao.
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Problems aren’t the trees in of themselves. But the base skills of the classes.
For example: Paladins have lots of spells, but other than the healing, they are extremely passive.
The Paladin trees do nothing to correct this for protection and retribution.
A warrior, on the other hand, doesn’t even need to spend any points in protection and can easily tank due to the amount of tanking skills learned during the leveling process.
Of course, it’s no mystery that the “hybrids” were left unfinished and were shoehorned into healing until TBC.
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I disagree, as far as hybrids and thier roles intended by blizzard go, druids have it good.
Both balance and feral have deep talents that help them with the healing role, so much so that one of the more popular healing builds goes deep into balance for the mana efficiency, and another goes deep feral for the increased intellect. All any druid has to do is swap gear and they can heal effectivley.
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The fact that you are even asking this means you dont want to understand the concept of class balance or hybrid viability.
Feral and enhancement wasnt any better in TBC guy, you still gunna be healing.
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Imo warriors are the most pigeonholed. Playing without one of the 31 pt talents (Mortal Strike, Bloodthirst, Shield Slam) would absolutely cripple the class.
Enhance is the most lame. 11 Point talent is equip 2h and 21 pt is to parry. Like, it takes a shaman 21 pts in enhance to get what a warrior has by level 6.
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The shaman talent tree review was a complete disaster, and the shaman community in particular at the time was very clear when they expressed their response to the devs and blizzard as a whole.
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feral was off the chart in the beginning of BC, their dps was insane and tanking was more than capable. so much so they got nerfed a lil ways in and they still preformed well
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i’m not a real fan of the demonology tree
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im talking about pvp guy i don’t give a crap about killing dragons…
How manly ferals you see in arena at high ratings?? I can link the old s1 -s4 charts if you want
edit 99% of druids in arena were resto and it was game breaking OP
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point taken, but you replied to a tank post so I thought you were talking pve. I cant speak for arena as I didn’t pvp on my druid, had my hunter for that
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Even then Druid tanks didnt become OP until the end of TBC. Feral was pretty good as they received a lot of changes going into TBC. They were still dog poop in pvp tho
oh you want a 31 point useless talent… Ret Paladins Repentence… put 1 thing to sleep. um yah thats what you really waited for … a cc… LOL
I loved feral, I could compete top 3 in dps and had a boat load of utility when needed.
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maybe in a heroic slave pens
Hehe
I wouldnt say i want 31 point talents useless, just saying for warriors as an overall class there is no “hybrid” builds that are 30/X like you see in other classes. Its not limited to one spec, its all 3.
The rest of the classes have a none or 1 spec that have a completely critical 31 pt talent.
Shadow priests
Prot paladins
Combat rogues (maybe)
Even warlocks skip SL for ruin a lot.
Have you ever met a warrior that didnt have one of the 31 point talents??
Well gear started improving for all the classes/specs with TBC etc.