What are you ashamed of in your own faction?

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Alright, so we spend so many hours in this forums attacking and judging each others faction, finding facts and provoking thoughts that sometimes makes us judge out choice.

But what about finding the faults in our own factions. I believe each of us have something that makes us question the morality of our chosen factions. I would love to hear some of your thoughts and opinions what made you think “thats not right”. It is your personal opinions I would respect if we do not judge each other for given opinios.

I will give it a go. For me I was ashamed to do Purge of Dalaran - dropping down to low level that Alliance (Jaina) forsaking all the values it holds. In times of losing self control she showed she is no better then the old Horde under demonic influence, succumbing to pure rage and hate. And made my question if given the circumstances are we better then rhe foes we fight.

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It’s less that I am ashamed of my own faction, but disdane that Blizz sold Horde players a false set of goods with WC3/Vanilla WoW Horde ideals. The Horde we were promised is very different than the Horde that they write now.

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Blizzard beats the Horde violently enough with “YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED” that I don’t have to.

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I think they are overplaying the soul searching plotline.

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Tack onto the part with “Garrosh will be a fantastic, great Warchief to lead the Horde!” Then we get Stonetalon! Yeah! … Then we get Twilight Highlands. … Then MoP happened … Then Garrosh becomes a villain. … Then we break the Blood Oath, a core definition of the Horde. … Going to have to agree with Threeslots on this one.

We are beaten half to death with the Villain bat that we could make a huge list of shame. Then we fight each other, then the Horde cannibalizes ourselves … again … for the fourth time this week.

HELL LOOK AT JAINA! One who was suppose to be our rival but is a walking, talking, “Horde players should be ashamed for playing Horde!” Deus Ex Machina.

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Do Baine and Saurfang count as Horde? I am ashamed of them moping about in the guise of the Horde I play in.

More to the point - I am ashamed to enjoy playing the Horde in spite of Blizzard considering the Horde nothing more than a wall to throw :poop: at.

The Alliance has clear and sensible direction with easy justification. The Horde… less so.

It’s like Blizzard made two flavors of Ice Cream - Alliance and Horde. Alliance is reliably good if unsatisfying. And Horde can be too much and simultaneously nothing.

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Anduin is lame. The only chad human warriors left is like… danath. With Lothar, Varian, Daelin, and Garithos gone what will I do? Though Muradin is cool.

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Going through two Civil Wars in the span of 4 expansions.

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Let me make something very clear here.

Stonetalon was NOT a “Great Warcheif” moment for Garrosh. Stonetalon was a not a moment of honor for the Horde. You had an orc in a position of power and authority, mercilessly murder young druids in Stonetalon. A man what would of had to be appointed by either Garrosh or Thrall in the first place.

Furthermore, Garrosh made ZERO attempts to pay reparations to the Kaldorei for the atrocities that were done in Stonetalon. This shows us that Garrosh cared more about his own personal sense of honor rather than the lives of innocents. This does not make him a good or respectable leader, this makes him a selfish sociopath, which brings me to the next point.

He always was. Since day one. in Wrath, he wanted to destroy the humans Kingdoms and then fight the Scourge on their own. He thought the Horde should rule all of Azeroth, and believe that so strongly, that he challenged Thrall to Mok’gora for it!

Garrosh was not “Made a Villain”, he always was. Maybe some writers wanted to take him in a different direction, but that’s not the direction that was originally laid out for him, and that is obvious. He’s a war monger, genocidal maniac, just like his father, far before MOP.

Yeah, because that Blood Oath is dangerous. It’s blind devotion to the wills and whims of a single individual, which is NEVER a good system of governing. That is why, historically, absolute monarchies fell out of popularity, and that is ultimately why the Alliance does not have the same sort of inter-faction conflict that the Horde has. Because The High King of the Alliance is an honorary position, and not a position that demands absolutely loyalty and devotion.

Because the Horde, as a culture, is not something that is sustainable. Sure, the writers could write it however they want, but it would not be believable. You have the orcs, who are prone to impulsive acts of violence due to their natural blood fury. You have Trolls who a long history of being uncooperative with each other, let alone other races. And you have the undead, who are morally twisted.

Yet, for some reason, the Horde has chosen and Orc, Troll and Undead to be their leaders? Rather than the sensible Tauren, who might be the only stable race in the Horde… One could say Thrall built his Horde with the Tauren serving as the idealistic example for what he wanted his Horde to be.

She was the Horde’s biggest cheer leader for YEARS. She turned a blind eye to the Horde killing her own father! How was she your rival?

Jaina it totally justified, and should be the walking, talking example for why the Horde needs to change.

I mean, really, if you look at the Horde Culture, their system of Government, their geographic location, and the moral ambiguity that is inherent with many Horde races… No one should be surprised that they have the problems they have.

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Dalaran hadn’t even joined the Alliance yet.

You can argue that it was given tacit approval after the fact since they were accepted into the Alliance… but Varian was furious about it.

And Jaina didn’t make a road out of Belf bones, I think she had a ways to go before approaching Old Horde levels of evil.

For the main question, I’m not ashamed of anything in the Alliance, I don’t look at a few bad actors and see the whole Alliance.

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I’m ashamed that the Alliance is such bog standard Tolkien normie bait to attract the lowest common denominator of fantasy fans, aka Human Paladins, that my favorite race since Warcraft 3 has had everything unique about them from their way of life to their Goddess stripped away and given to the more unique Horde.

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Huh way to go to ignore what the OP wanted and attack opposing members faction. I’ll leave it to a agree to disagree moment for the time being, but I would like to continue this debate on a more appropriate thread. For this I’ll leave it to absolutely believe Stonetalon was 100% honorable Horde moment, and that Garrosh was meant to be a heroic Warchief that we were constantly promised by Metzen.

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Big oof… I feel this pain in my heart.

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Jaina and Anduin literally going, “We’re not going to push the attack on the Zandalari and end this war because they’re mourning the loss of their King,” after sending countless men and women to die in a suicide mission to win the war. It’s like they got cold feet at the last second.

All those people died to end the War, and instead, because of pity, the war goes on. Disgraceful.

Also the composition of the Suicide Armies left me going, “That’s not right.” Night Elves are an endangered species and they composed 1/6th of it alongside Void Elves (who have tiny numbers), Worgen (like the Night Elves, are probably also endangered), and Dark Iron Dwarves (just feels like they get sacrificed to prove their loyalty again and again).

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Pretty much everything Garrosh did, most of what Sylvanas is doing recently, Orgrimmar as a capital city, the lack of Darkfallen and Black Drakonids.

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“True Horde”

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One of my threads might do the trick for you if you like defending the good qualities of controversial characters.

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I am ashamed of some of the lawful dumb things the alliance does.

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I’m ashamed that Gallywix is still alive and leader of the goblins.

If you alliance can do a the horde a solid and kill him off, I would really appreciate.

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i’m ashamed at how shaman forgot how to use 2H’ers as enhancement…

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