What are the cons to RDF again?

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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Why exactly do you oppose it so much? Is it “Easy Mode, who wants the game to do everything for you?” Because that notion is kind of moot, you open up LFG, you see a shield, you see a cross and 2 swords. You invite them all, no words, nothing, just invite and there you go you got your group.

Is it the teleport? For Northrend/Outlands it’s less of an issue but certainly still just a nice timesaver, what do you do when you got your group and ready to do a dungeon? Either you’re afk on a flight path to the dungeon or your afk in dalaran/orgrimmar/stormwind waiting for a summon anyway.

Is it the not getting to vet who you get? Sounds like a personal problem in that case, for a lot of people it’s take what you can get or nothing at all. Some people will gladly get that 3 paladin party if it meant they could even run the place at all. Or, you can just do as it is now and go with Guildies, those that really wanna vet their group for 4k+ gs for those hard hard heroics can do just that, go premade with guildies.

So, what exactly is the bad thing here?

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Originally the game kind of forced you to be social. You had to group up. You had to make friends. And Blizzard removed all that over the years. Starting really with the Dungeon Finder in Wrath.
WoW just became a lobby game where you queue up for things, join random strangers, do your thing, and move on. Never see or talk to them again. There’s literally no reason to communicate with anyone outside of Mythics. Other players might as well be bots. I don’t know how anyone calls WoW an mmorpg anymore. They’ve completely forsaken the mmo audience.
And it was sad to see that same warped audience infect Classic. Especially after TBC’s boost, which brought them in even bigger droves. They treat it like Retail. Just look at the forums. I guess that was inevitable. The community makes an mmo, and the community is nothing like it was back in the day. And it’s the devs’ fault for the direction they took this game. But it is what it is and it’s not going to change.

Here’s why. Our boy Zaalg very concisely explaining why.

776

Hmm and you have data to support that these numbers were wrong because I jumped from servers with the same 500 people so I’m pretty so your 0 evidence means absolutely nothing.

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I play this mmorpg as an mmorpg. I dont like systems that remove interactions from the world or other players. I dont play this game for world of queue craft and do not like that type of design or the behavior it encourages of players. Rdf was the first major change in how the very design of the game encouraged you to interact with ither players. Specifically removing one of the primary pve reasons of doing so. Dungeons. Lfr from cata made it even worse, and the longer i played with these features in the game, the more it felt like a single player game even for the group content. By legion when i quit i didnt view retail as a mmorpg and had been playing just for the story and enjoyment of my class, and in legion they ruined the hunter class in my opinion, they may have foxed the issues i had with it by now, but its to late for me to even want to go back. If i want a single player experience i will play skyrim or another single player game.

I view rdf as unhealthy for the sence community that this game has which is half the reason for playing an mmorpg. Yes i know a lot of the community isnt the best even without rdf, but i work every day in game on changing that through my in game actions and have gotten a good amount of social connections into multiple guilds and individuals. I still pug regularly eveb when i dont need to in order to continue to grow that number of social connevtions and rdf would essentially make that not happen as all those who are looking for people to do group content without having friends ready to go will be using rdf, and i cant help those people find groups to play with because of realm restrictions and the very high chance they wont be from my realm.

Back in late tbcc my guild fell apart durring sunwell from external drama (wasnt even the raiding that did it) i used my social connections to find new guild homes for many of those guildies and found myself a new guild home as well and kept raiding.

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Interestingly, FFXIV is known as a very community-driven MMO, many consider it “Second Life 2.0” or “A Social MMO Dressup Simulator” and it has RDF (They call it DF/Duty Finder)

So, how can a game have what many call “the system that removed all interaction” be known as such a community driven social MMO.

I agree LFR honestly is terrible, but let’s be real with RDF, as it stands it’s either you’re not running anything at all, or you get a silent run. Or, potentially a fun run with chill bros. Who knows, it’s the luck of the draw. You get good, you get bad, you get mid.

We’re at the point where nobody wants to run any dungeon at all for a myriad of reasons, lack of effeciency, lack of players, lack of players because lack of effeciency, it all gets cleared up with RDF.

What interaction from the world is RDF removing from you? You magically being able to invite the guy a continent away asking if they wanna run ZF? Why is that the interaction you’re willing to die for instead of the interactions you could be having inside the dungeon with whoever you get? “Wanna run ZF?” “No.” peak interaction.

Do you know what happens right now? If I’m questing in Hinterlands and I get whispered if I wanna run Maradon, you know what happens? No, no I don’t wanna run Maradon because it’s literally the furthest place away from me at my given location, with no easy fast way there and by the time I get there what if someone leaves, my time is wasted. And now I have to get back to where I was resulting a gigantic exp timewaste.

And let’s not pretend there’s meaningful interactions with our system right now for people that wanna do dungeons. Let’s say I wanna do the daily heroic (because god knows the non-dailies are dead and I’m lucky to even get a group for) I sign up for it. I wait a bit at dal, or if I’m feeling frisky, fly there to it beforehand on my afk flight path and I get an invite. I help summon and we run.

People gotta realize, this ain’t 2004 anymore, socializing in an MMO isn’t like in the old days, where Discord didn’t exist, and if you wanted to make friends and chat with them you’d need a sub to WoW and hang out.

If I wanna hang out with friends, I have discord. It’s free. if I wanna play with friends, many games nowadays have online components, Back 4 Blood, Dead by Daylight, Left 4 Dead, etc etc.

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Never said rdf removed all social interaction. It was the start of it though. And as for being co sidered a very social mmo. Thats by todays standards, which are much lower than what they used to be.

Im not claiming rdf will remove all social interaction. Its just the first step in the wrong direction in my opinion. And blizzwrd leaving it out shows they are trying to make an effort to keep the classic ganes feeling more like the old style mmorpg, which is not only what i like, but helps keep retail and classic feeling different which is good for blizzard in terms of running two mmorpg and making sure they are not to similar that there would be no point in running both.

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Had it been Vanilla or TBC that’d be fine, it’s trying to be the way it was back then.

But we’re in Wrath now, and Wrath players came in expecting Wrath features.

It’s like if they brought back Cata but decides nah, Transmogs were bad.

Or Pandaria and leave out Monk, ehh, nobody liked Monk anyway.

Or what if they leave out the races introduced, or the classes they allowed like Human Hunters or Tauren Paladins.

Eventually we’re gonna get changes based arbitrarily on what they feel like adding or not adding, and at that point what are we even playing? A faithful recreation or a “what if” scenario that may or may not even be any good.

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Stupid take. You can queue up using RDF with your friends and guildies. In fact that’s what a lot of us did. Using LFG is the same thing except the travel time. I don’t use it. I run with my guildies if I run at all.

Dungeons are a small portion of the Wrath experience, and claiming it will make Wrath a lobby game is incredibly idiotic. The way Blizzard screwed up Wintergrasp did more to deteriorate the community than RDF ever could.

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Take it up with Zaalg, that’s his take.

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The majority of wotlk didn’t have rdf. 3 out of 4 major content patches didnt have it, and if you want to go based on raw time its still 52% of wotlk didnt have rdf.

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We are alreary there.

And if you dont enjoy wotlkc the best advice i can give you is to find a different game to play. Im not happy with all the changes that have been made, but i do like no rdf.

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Awesome. We get to quote people and then not take ownership.

“Beefd wears speedos while listening to Barry Manilow and picking his nose.” ~ Bellyboy312

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Even if I did do that, I’d still manage to be a lot cooler than you are.

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Many Classic players quit retail for various reasons.

If Classic blindly marched down the path pf retail to create “faithful recreations”, those that fought for Classic and despise what the game became would quit again.

Look at it this way. There are players that enjoy retail and all the QoL and lobby game style of play. I guess that’s fine. Blizzard will continue to cater to them.

It makes sense to me that the Classic team wants to cater to the old school players and will make changes to accommodate them.

That doesn’t mean they will drop monks or worgens. That’s silly to even suggest that. Rather, they have their design pillars, which I wholeheartedly agree with, and will make changes based on that.

They also have the benefit of hindsight to correct things that turned out really bad. For example, if Classic plods on to Legion, a content heavy expansion, it would be great if they rectified the AP grind mechanisms to make it a better experience.

Don’t like it? Well there is an iteration of the game called retail.

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Yeah man, love being told to go to retail because I want Wrath to have Wrath features.

Edit: Even funnier given that Retail endgame doesn’t even use RDF and we have a retail tool instead, lul

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Ok cya make sure to cancel your recurring sub you won’t be missed.

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If you want to gloss over my points completely and not have a discussion, see ya! Good talk. :roll_eyes:

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791

They dont want a discussion, they want an echo chamber.

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I am actually in awe at the number of NPCs on here.

All of them pro RDF.

Not all pro RDF are NPCs, but the same is absolutely true in reverse.

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Great ideas! WoD without Garrisons. Legion without Class Halls or legendaries. If you want to experience those things, go play Retail!

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