Oh I agree. Pugging is a dumpster fire of randomness. I greatly suggest making friends, a guild, a community, and going from there.
But if you HAVE to pug, there are certain things you merely have to accept that will happen.
Some of those you listed. One of those is how difficult it can be for any role to get into a group.
I don’t use Raider IO, so I can only speculate how the nosey addon looks at your Battlenet profile and summarizes your experience/performance.
What I suggest is that, when it does so, it creates a profile for your ID.
On the profile, others can rate your performance based on certain criteria such as an early quitter or inconsiderate behavior or maybe poor communication skills.
Like that would not be abused especially by inconsiderate, rude and abusive pugs?
All raiderIO does is pull info from WoW armory, then give you a rating. You get 10 points per mythic+ level of a specific dungeon. Your score can only go up, it takes your best runs.
You do a +9 Siege on time? 90 points. Do it over the time? It drops to 80…70…60 points based on how much over.
So doing a +8 on time > +9 10 mins late.
Then it combines your best run/scores of each dungeon. So if a person has a score of 1000, that generally means they average a +10 completed on time of each dungeon.
RaiderIO doesn’t look at anything but what information WoW Armory makes public, basically.
I think these might be related
I’m sure the erroneous data could be offset by positive feedback.
Or maybe it’d take a consensus to be able to upload obnoxious behavior.
Example;
The tank throws a hissy fit and leaves the group. The remaining 4 people agree to flag him as an early leaver. (Consensus carries and the tank gets flagged)
The tank, in an act of spite, tries to flag the healer as a poor communicator. (As an individual, the rating gets ignored)
At the time of this message, you are at 504 io. I wouldnt invite you to a +10 either.
You are missing 4 dungeons, you need to run those 4, because currently you basically have a “0” for them. Even a +9 timed is like 90 points, so you are basically gimping yourself right mow.
Still open to abuse. Not uncommon for a friends/guild group to just need 1 more pug.
I’ve seen people troll groups before because they had a majority.
I just don’t trust any user rating system.
Do these dungeons on a 9 and you will start getting into 10 groups with ease.
Freehold
Temple of Sethraliss
The Underrot
Waycrest Manor
Also go back and time the two you didnt time on a 9 Tol Dagor and SoTS
I just feel like it’d be a better system than the wild west system in place right now.
Maybe it could check for affiliation to prevent false, positive feedback?
I just feel that Raider IO doesn’t tell the complete story.
Let’s say the addon detects that you haven’t run a few dungeons. But those dungeons don’t drop anything you’d want, so you don’t run them.
Does that make you less knowledge/experienced in the dungeons you DO run?
The addon should evaluate you based on the dungeons you actually run and not penalize you for not running crappy dungeons you’d prefer to avoid.
Ive actually been thinking about creating a website like this. The issue is that Blizzard would never let you put it in an addon.
What you say is true but…
The better group you run with = the better score you will have.
You are skilled and know how to play your toon but run with a mediocre group then RIO is not actually giving you and appropriate score.
You are not very skilled but get through you M+'s by getting into some good groups or taken by friends and your RIO is high but not indicative of your actual skill.
But the system isn’t wild west. Its very controlled. It has very exact measures as to what gives a rating.
Opening up a rating to user feedback is the wild west.
RaiderIO will literally tell me your highest run for the dungeon I am doing.
If I am doing a Temple +10, and you apple, and lets say you haven’t done Siege, AD, Kings Rest, and Waycrest. That means you will be down potential points.
RaiderIO will say something like “Total S3 score : 600, Best for Current Dungeon +12 (one star)”
Dont let perfect be the enemy of good? You have to take it with a grain of salt and there is a chance you can be burned anyway. Everyone knows that going in, unless your one of those people looking for 1000 io for your plus 3.
I get that, but there is no way to create something that only looks at a single person’s contribution for a dungeon. We have to use the best tools we have.
If I get 50 people applying I am not going to interview each person and ask how their dungeons went, who’s fault it was that they failed a specific run.
Is RaiderIO perfect? No. But if you understand the information it is displaying, you can make a more educated decision on who to invite.
Just stating the facts dude…just because I know it and you know it does not mean everyone does which everyone does not based on responses about RIO on many threads on these forums.
Get yourself “proven healer” title, say that in your invite description and people will invite you. I think…I don’t know how mythic+ works. Sorry OP, I tried.
That’s some really good feedback, ty for that. I took pretty much all your advice and will give it a go. You were correct in that most of that is my pvp spec, however, a lot of that is my pve spec as well.
Did I disagree with anything you said about RIO?
I just wanted to add to what you said showing how scores can vary and you have to admit that a lot of people don’t know that and having that knowledge they can make their own judgement and either throw it away or perhaps give a person that they have seen many times on their lists wanting an invite a chance to prove themselves on a key means nothing to them.
I think I’m starting to understand how this addon works. ty for the advice mate. Ill do those some time today.