Classic isn’t hardcore. If you think Classic is hard core, then I can only laugh.
You clearly do not know what a hard core MMO is.
Mythic raiding in retail is far more hardcore and difficult than anything Classic will offer.
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just look at warcraft/logs folder, you can upload one file by one until you find out the that one.
Here is some like me go…onyxia died to a naked raid run.
some go…well yeah she was easy, duh.
Here is where some go even lfr…cannot be beaten naked. even LFR Tarragrue will enrage wipe if you go in naked. I have had the pleasure of seeing that enrage wipe when 50% of the raid died to the black floor boss. weeks into this. so the 50% who lived…we were overgeared to some degree. But not enough even then.
LFR Tarragru chosen since its the floor boss that is the threat here. If you don’t die to the floor boss…its run up the dps meter time really in LFR.
today i had more Nice classic experience.
1-joined a random group for SV, and a lvl 58mage died on 1st boss then the leader removed him to invite someone else, i asked in party “why did you remove the poor guy?” but No one in group even replied with anything.
2-another group to SHh where someone said he will Disenchant and we roll shards at the end, after last boss died he just went afk and offline.
3-joined a group for arc and the leader(tank) said brb and went afk till he dc’d, healer left, everyone left, for forming the group and flying there and waiting for tank, almost 1hour was used and didn’t even kill a single mob in the dungeon.
I’m not mentioning this to complain, i’m already aware that random groups have alot of issue’s like this, where it’s super hard to get a group going as long as many problems wihc can occur, so it’s the standard atm But the question in my mind is…what’s the difference between what’s happening now when i join randoms & if game has lfd feature and i still join randoms? people are the same, i can do nothing about it except relying on luck to get into nice party who won’t bully new players Or remove undergeared poor souls Or go afk for age’s or Dc or ninja…etc all this problem already existing for random groups in TBC-C and LFD will just eliminate some of those problems.
on a side note, look how many Download (almost 100,000) for such addon to get you a group! so even when TBC-C has no LFD feature, everyone seems to be wanting to rely on LFD addon which automatically type your message in lfg and group you, you can just afk in town, make the addon get you a group & wait for summon! all can be done while you’re watching movies or playing another game.
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/lfg-matchmaker-tbc
on tbc or vanilla? if tbc, is it pvp or pve? if tbc pve, just roll a char on atiesh (west coast NA) and join the Roar guild. i’ll spam you thru bfd on my 70 mage. 
people say that LFD is bad cus of ninja? we don’t have LFD In tbc and i always face such thing like this…
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=25_protpalyelemtalshamyrestodruid.jpg
needers prot paly, resto druid, elemental shaman, rogue
i don’t think people needing for offspec in dungeon can be considered ninja But yup this is what’s happening in Classic-TBC atm and there is nothing i can do about.
Please don’t tell me “make your own group & use MasterLoot” if i did that in every single group i make? in no time no one will trust or join me, plus i’m not selfish to reserve items.
report it to discord blacklist? why should i? it’s not my Rights to take what i need if someone else is needing to use as well, and even if they needed for no reason? No one care about the imaginary discord banlist, most aren’t even aware of it and who does know about it? don’t even care about it.
in the end i don’t care about items, i just wanna get a group and have fun playing & i don’t see any difference between tbcc now & wotlk dungeon-finder, except that lfd in wrath will only help us get groups instead of waiting hours dreaming to find a group.
This happens all the time I can get, at most, 3 groups a day on a weekend and maybe one on a week night.
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But according to a LFD naysayer in another thread you should be using your server discord to schedule dungeons days ahead of time 
So it’s really your fault!!
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This probably speaks for a lot of players, myself included. Have one child now and a second on the way. Time is rare! Good luck to you and your family 
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That is not true. Almost all of them were things casuals whined about until they got it and it seemed like a good idea at the time. Much like RDF.
RDF ruins the community aspect of the game and Blizzard is 100% right to not include it.
RDF does no damage to the server community, that players themselves haven’t already done already themselves. I’d argue the players do far more damage to the community more than any precieved damage RDF supposedly does.
This "Community’ aspect is a poor red herring excuse to try to prevent good systems (That were in the game originally) from being accessibly by the community as a whole.
Just gatekeeping.
Because no one can even define what “community” specifically is. RDF doesn’t stop guilds it doesn’t stop people from talking to each other. It’s literally just a tool used to assist in setting up groups and getting into dungeons quick and easily.
No one can explain exactly what “Community” RDF harms, it’s just a buzz word they use because they don’t have a valid argument against RDF
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TBH what ever nightmare you’re talking about regard LFD will bring? i’ve faced it all and much worse in past 10days of my heroic dungeon farming.
1-most of the pugs are formed by 3rd party addon.
2- tool no one talks at all.
3-getting summoned to the dungeon all the time (lfd teleport won’t be different).
4-clueless people on the dungeon or on how they can play their class.
5-green/blue geared who can’t pass 300dps.
6-alot of ninja pull happening in 2022 lol.
7-tanks who join without having tank spec and gets +10times death and ask for repair.
8-people who leave on a sudden at any point or leave if just 1wipe at first trash.
9-ninja lootfor items just to d/e or vendor.
10-reserve all over the place, some leaders even put ML on the full hc run.
11-leader of the group removes people out of the blue without even trying to talk to the .whole party “lfg vote system won’t let 1person kick, it need others to contribute”.
12-people go afk or slack without a word.
13- i run too many heroics in past 10days and i haven’t met anyone twice, and even if i did? i probably won’t know because everyone doesn’t say anything at all.
14-zero friends was made from my spam of heroic, because no one wanna even socialize in dungeon, if people want to socialize they’ll do it in different environment.
15-
it really feels like “random dungeon finder will add nothing to what’s happening now & it won’t ruin something that doesn’t even exist now, if you want to socialize? you can still do it in 999More other places in better condition”
please don’t tell me this…
-form your group!
" i form my group from LFD CHAT and that is the same as “random dungeon finder” we’re all randoms so what to expect?!?
-play only with guild/friends!?
“lfd can exist and that rule still applies, i can still add guild/friends and queue, so having lfd won’t matter at this point to me but it will matter to those who doesn’t have guilds/friends as LFD Is a tool to help Random people get random groups & In the same time it will drive anyone to go to dungeons at any time/level.”
the random dungeon finder might not be needed for some, but people wants to relay on it & it can’t damage something that is already broken & Beyond repairs.
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