No, not really. Lol
You’re right, not a great week. Just a great time at all time !
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I just get tired of saying"Dude, slow down", " Dude watch your stacks", " Dude, its bursting.". I was in a +10 Wm, we were doing ok, I was healing like crazy cus tank just kept going, got in a tight spot n wiped. They called me a trash healer. I said I have been 30k+ hps whole dungeon. Theys said I should be 50k+ hps and belittled me to the point I left. It was a Ragnaros group. I mean wtf do you want me to do when you are not doing the mechanics whatsoever…
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You dont need to be doing 50k. Plus, how? I once had a guy tell me on holy I should be doing 80k healing in a dungeons because that is what they can do. Yeah, in a raid group with twenty five raid wide heals do a lot of healing and it goes out to a lot of people and it’s easy to do 120k even, now, with overhealing.
I’m just wondering a few things. First, can you heal through stupid? Second, would the essence, Vitality Conduit, be any help? Third, since you can’t heal through stupid–I mean, if the dps is going to not drop the mobs one at a time and if the tank is going to charge into the next room when at 20% health–should you just go holy?
I ran a 14 UR last night and on the tick pull on the first obelisk I pulled 118k HPS lol. I used Rapture into Barrier Radiance and SCovenant haha. Bursting is not TERRIBLE but it does require you to be on your toes more. It’s also about the DPS being responsible. Also you can chain pull a lot this week, this is a priest’s best counter to Bursting.
But yea, for a 10 you’d be needing to pull 50k hps for maybe 4 stacks of bursting? Mind you I mean getting to a 50k hps during your burst healing, not maintaining it. And overall doing around 25-35k. A 40k overall means your dps were taking a lot of avoidable damage.
Exactly, I was bursting 50k+ hps easy, I was averaging 30k+ hps through out the dungeon. Meaning I was constantly healing most likely avoidable damage. The group would not slow down to let me drink and regain mana. So I would yell out, MANA! Then stop to drink, they kept going, so I would barely regain mana. Run to catch up, heal like a mofo to catch up, be low on mana again, and the circle continues. But, it was my fault lol.
When I started getting into 10s I was running Lucid Dreams as a Major Essence. It helps a lot, especially in pugs that just chain pull a lot. It’s also a fun way to play because you pretty much use it on cooldown throughout the dungeon and you can cast off more shadowmends.
I enjoy discipline healing, the most fun and engaging healing there is. I believe discipline can do anything as good if not better than any other healer. I am a great discipline priest and I know what I am doing. I have had the same crap happen to me on any other healer. It is more of a healer issue than a disc priest issue really. We just take the brunt of everything just like tanks do really. That’s why we have such a low population of tanks n healers compared to dps. There is only 1 of you in a group of 5, so you get teamed up on with the beating from the blame stick.
A dps thinks they are doing everything right because they are pulling the most dps, only thing they are looking at is Details or w/e they are using, they never put it over to see what kinda heals are going out.
Really, the less a healer is healing, and more dps they are doing shows how good the group in whole is.
I laughed when you said a “Ragnaros” group criticized you. I’m surprised they all weren’t afking/dcing for free loot.
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I healed a 9 boralus pug last night on my disc and we took 32 million each in damage over the course of the run from just bursting alone.
And when we missed the timer at the end by 2 minutes they kicked me and told me I was horrible.
Edit: these players were also from ragnaros
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I usually never have a mana issue, especially since I always bring food and most groups will hold a second to let me drink. I mean, atleast I bring food/drinks to a dungeon. I have tanked plenty of times when the healer had to sit and just wait for mana bcus they “forgot” lol. But, you know what I did as a tank in those instances? I waited for the healer lol
You have to learn the hard way that hpriest is best priest.
Damn, man. That is horrible. I once got kicked in a group and we were really flying, man. I was doing crazy damage and keeping everyone up. Albeit the health of the group at times was getting to 20 or 30 percent but all was going well.
But then I got caught up on something and fell behind the group and their health dropped because of that. Nobody died, but then suddenly i got a whisper from a rogue. He whispered to me that I was focusing on damage and not healing. Then I got booted.
Well, I couldnt believe it. and I whispered the rogue back and said Discipline priests heal via their damage, and that the healing was proportional to the damage. Well, he got really angry and used some horrible swears. I reported him and went on my way. I still cant believe it.
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People are idiots. And I try to avoid Ragnaros server players.
I play both and every healer class and spec, tbh, and will tell you straight: you are not correct, but you are entitled to your opinion.
Holy has great output, but disc does great damage. And if you play disc well, you can top the charts in healing above all other healers–maybe except for glimmer pallies, but in some cases them too.
Holy is a very basic healer with a great set of spells. The healing output is insane if properly geared–for example to maximize Echo of Light, and if played well. Holy is also probably the best healer to play for anyone beginning healing.
As for Discipline. Discipline is more for advanced healers, and probably not the best healer to start on. The healing is completely different to all other healers (except maybe resto druid in some ways) in the sense that it relies on being proactive as opposed to reactive and in that you need to do dps to heal effectively. And quite frankly, it can be a challenge to learn and do well, but it is super fun once you start to get the knack of it.
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Yeah I disagree with this. I also play every healer except for mistweaver. Holy is simple to learn, but difficult to master because it’s entirely reactive and lacks the damage and utility of other healers.
This is entirely fight and comp dependent. Holy can easily beat anything for HPS in many raid encounters.
The biggest thing that holy lacks is damage, which makes us weaker for m+, but I would say we are better overall for raids when paired with an hpal, and in 2s our GH is broken making us great for arenas with a mage/lock.
Disc priests can throw out a nice chunk of aoe healing while on the run. Either radiance before movement or rapture and shield spam to stabilize or preemptively mitigate incoming damage. Shadowfiend or mindbender,into penance. Shadow covenant especially if you get a twist of fate proc, I like to cast it right before attonement falls off. To get the bonus mastery heals as well.
Something very seldom discussed in guides is that mastery also applies to absorption. So if I rapture and shield someone when atonement is already on them that shield is about 130 to 140 k at my 455 ilvl. Much more efficient than a basic Power Word: Pleald.
Oh, no doubt holy’s healing output is insane. But for mythic raiding, currently, Disc and Glimmer pallies are the top picks in the best guilds. They are often stacking two of each. That is largely due to their damage output which occurs as a necessary part of their healing. But their healing output is also amazing. Disc is also probably a top pick because of being the quintessential and best healer bar none when it comes to group wide burst healing.
My guild runs 2 restos who output more than the hpal (they’re 8/12m) But they’re really good. But yeah, even with the nerf glimmer is still kinda OP tbh.
I wish we lived in a world were dps as a healer wasn’t a think, but, since it is Blizzard really need to get holy right in shadowlands. I don’t think us having a dot is really going to fundamentally change the fact that our rotation has not a lot of downtime for smiting.
For Heroic raiding Holy is probably the best healer. For beginning healers, Holy is probably also the best way to go. As for its damage output, that is a joke. And compared to disc, it is a world apart and not doing the job. Disc, though, is in a class of its own. It always has been and always will be. I mean, the whole concept of doing damage to heal is nothing any other healer is comparable to. Of course, Glimmer is an exception, but there is no indication Glimmer is here to stay.
If you play Holy, which I do and have done for years, you ought to learn to play Discipline. You will never regret it. And I look at it this way. If you heal on a priest, you have two healers in one. I mean, you’re already doing the grinding, so why not capitalize on that!!! Some people are playing two healers, even three–paladin, monk, and druid, for example, and they have to be balking at all the grinding for azerite, for essences, for what have you–gear and the whole shebang. And Discipline is a blast, man. I have never had so much fun healing.