Weren't we supposed to get mid-expansion spec buffs?

No hate but i was just curious why we haven’t gotten any mid-expansion class buffs. Shout out to the ferals :roll_eyes: (jk), but i was curious why holy priests can’t get the automatic ligthwell. It would be extremely uplifting to an spec that is kind of irrelevant while disc is as good as it is. The lightwell sims really well but when was the last time your friends clicked it.

I was hoping to see Holy grow up a little bit because the playstyle is not half bad. Depending on what game mode you play, but to be honest, in 25 man, most healers lose a lot of the sense of uniqueness/character. I find in 10 man Holy priest should play exceptionally well. It’s a great hybrid of every other healer. Good at all - not great at anything. The versatility feels amazing. My frustration is that is when i play disc I can do better everything and bring more core raid saves.

What specs do you guys want to see changed like they did in wotlk?

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None of them.

Feral doesn’t need a buff

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Frost Mage. I don’t care if they buff the damage, but I really want them to decrease the mana cost of spells. It goes oom so fast and it doesn’t feel good to play.

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None. I don’t like how they made changes to specs in WotLK, and I wouldn’t be playing Cata if I wanted changes.

It also doesn’t make any sense to try to adjust DPS spec “balance” when an overall class has decent representation. If we want to look at WotLK and point to that as an example, they didn’t do anything to address the disparity between tanks and the perceived need for Prot Paladins with many of the strats seemingly requiring their tanking toolkit as MT.

But to your actualy question:

It’s probably mostly because there is absolutely no perceived value in allocating resources towards altering class or spec balance in Cataclysm Classic.

It might actually make sense to spend some time and effort on developing it, and who knows, maybe it would bring in new players and or slow people from jumping ship to say Retail… but I’d be skeptical that if anyone is championing such a resource spend that they are successfully able to appeal to any decision makers.

:woman_shrugging:

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That statement really hits home. It’s such a weird line to walk on. we make custom changes that weren’t feature in original cata… when we feel like it. It’s almost like a lack of confidence in themselves. If they did a succession of things without believing it’s a waste of dev time when all the projects are complete the combined product would be very nice.

I think the biggest problem i have is that it’s well documented from 10 years ago what problems we have / will have and we choose to relive problems / ignore them for the second time.

Buffing feral is necessary as there’s no justification for it to be ranked as F tier in DPS when there are PvP specs outperforming it.

Thats a pvp spec its not meant for raid duration fights.

Buffing feral isn’t justified considering how much does they are gaining next phase.

You’re going from F to A tier, in what world would you buff that?

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“Weren’t we supposed to get mid-expansion spec buffs?”

Based on what? a vision you had in a dream? A delusion after eating too much cheese before bed? why would you think we’re “supposed to” get random unannounced changes?

Hell we can’t even get @kaivax to address the phase changeover cadence.

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See i feel the exact opposite, I ran disc all through DF and thats probably why i feel holy is in a better spot now. I feel like i have to push 3x as hard for attonement healing compared to just casting PoM and flash heal once lol

Can you elaborate please?

There are three different playstyles available to disc in terms of what secondary stat you use and what primary ability you focus on and all of them out perform single target and or aoe healing compared to a holy priest. It comes with custom utility in example a second raid save in the form of bubble, and P.I.

Like i said i adore what the holy priest is supposed to be. It is everything i would want from a healer but the sad reality is disc right now can do better everything and bring more. It’s not to say nobody has done it. There is a handful of 13/13H holy priests.

Warcraft logs reports there is 22.8k disc priests in 25man and 3600 holy priests
it also reports 33.3k in 10 man and 2170 in holy.

33k to 2.2k is a wild gap that really needs to be acknowledged. A lot of people i talk to actually enjoy the spec but can’t justify taking it.

They need to buff fire mage so drinknblink can finally break the 10k dps barrier

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Speaking as 2 classes Blizzard hates DH and Warlock at bottum of the world parses the rest of you classses and your first world dps issues can take a hike lol

They need to buff Heroic and nerf heroic so Heroic can beat heroic.

Others can do that too.

He really is living rent free in your head lol

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Rent free.

So much room in here.

When did Blizz add healer dmg to fire mage?

When you die 1 minute into a 5:30 boss kill.

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What first off Demon Hunters are not even in cata and secondly Warlocks are S and A tier for all 3 specs. Right now.

Who told you that Destro or affliction are A tier?

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I asked the warlock disc and then consulted the interwebs.