Fortnite is clearly the superior product in the field its in. At one point i was even the best Product on the market as far as returns and players were connected. This information can be backed up from the numbers published in reliable sources such as super data.
McDonald’s is a bit more nebulous on there popularity to determine as you cant say by how many Burgers sold, though that was a part of it at one point. Current metics would have to be customer satisfaction surveys done when placed against other fast food chains. Though i dont have them in front of me they are ahaed of most national burger chains and start to lose ground to some of the more local chains.
To your second point i still have zero evidence to your point either. Feel free to concede at any time that there is actually no evidence to either side and if there was blizzard isnt telling us either way. I have long been past that point though you feel a need to argue that something that isnt out yet that has no data behind it short of speculation and some market reasearch by Blizzard, which again they are not sharing, is better or worse.
We can all look back in phase 3 or 4 and see how that 4:1 Ratio works out for classic. Will classic have 4 Normal to low pop servers for ever high pop. Though i personally wont really care. You should enjoy what you play and not get caught up in the petty arguments of MY GAME IS BETTER THAN YOUR GAME.
Which is what i have been trying to say this entire time, but i guess being more direct will help.
Then why did you respond to me responding to someone claiming that Classic will destroy BfA? Perhaps your bias compelled you to start up an argument with me?
Congrats on being the 1,000th post on our righteous mission to fight layering. I hope this thread has contributed in at least some small way to showing Blizzard how many of us feel about layering and why it will be so detrimental to the game.
Is not that great an argument point to use. You seem to be thoughtfull enough to come up with something better than that. Though i am never sure if people truly understand how servers are made. As you see in my response
I made no mention of the other person and simply pointed that your argument was weak because of how servers are actually made up at the moment. There are better arguments to be made against people and you made it against me. Where is the empirical data that you have saying that Classic will have more success and following than BFA?
To which any person would have to answer there is none at this time short of anecdotal Private server and Reddit Sub form population and polling. That or they would troll you.
The server population indicator is quite obviously on a per realm basis. As you mentioned, there are plenty of Low or Medium population servers that are CRZ’d with those Full population servers yet the indicator remains at Low or Medium.
What argument are you trying to make? That this information has some substantive value to players? Without knowing the break points in these values how does this information help your or my argument in any way?
Going from the fact you also posted subreddit value i assume that you believe that 100% the population of the game also read forums on any level. Im beginning to thing that you are the one that is being the troll at this point as you dont want to give up on the idea that EMPIRICAL evidence doesn’t exist to prove either point.
Please respond to the people claiming Classic will destroy BfA without even attempting to provide a shred of evidence, anecdotal or not. Your bias is clearly showing.
Yet you have provided me none of them or the sources of which you claim the current numbers are at. I feel like im the one getting trolled at this point simply because you seem to have your own bias which you seem to think i have for one side or another when i have clearly stated i dont really care which one has more im going to plat the one i enjoy.
I also know that if i were to pick one you would tell me to back up my statement so what your doing is trying to preempt that by telling me that i wont accept your sources, though i did see them on r/games and they were later retracted as out dated. The API leak of the low number is also disavowed by nearly everyone. The only sources left are the addons that do scans for players which is nitrously sub par way to determine total subs as the number of people on multiple accounts. On the other hand you could try to use things like a scarper of the armoy, but it comes across the same issue with multiple characters per arrount.
To that end ill answer your question you posed early since i had a feeling you wouldnt get any real data but maybe i could have been wrong about that.
Classic launch will see a surge of subs for WoW and probably surpass BFA for the first weeks. However, that number will quickly fall off as people will either not enjoy the game or remember how awful it was for them and skip the time wanting to grind. Overall i expect it to do decently but i dont expect it to recreate the halcyon days of 15 years ago where the sky was the limit on subs. In the end it will be below retail in concurrent players outside Phase Launches and the AQ opening event.
With that i have said all i need to really though you are free to continue this dicussion with any other person that is willing to talk to you about it, though i feel that the points laid out are more than enough to relay how i feel about the whole thing. Though im sure you will cherry pick some part of this to respond to.
You have a bias because you’ve ignored every single post claiming Classic will destroy BfA without providing any means whatsoever of determining that and instead went after me for attempting to provide methods with which we could determine which is more popular.
August of 2015, WoW had fallen to 5.6 million subscribers worldwide. I’m not sure if China was counted in their subscriber numbers at that time.
June of 2015 is when Hellfire Citadel released, that raid was current for over a year before Legion released. In those 14 months a total of 17,800 guilds managed to clear Heroic.
Battle of Dazar’alor released on January 22nd and was current for about 6 months if you exclude the two boss filler raid, CoC. In those 6 months, 14,000 guilds managed to clear the raid on Heroic.
If you kept up with the forums, you’d know that there is far less incentive to raid as Mythic+ gives equal or superior gear for the majority of people playing the game. Back in WoD, there was no alternative to raid gear for the majority of players. Incentive = participation; it’s incredibly unlikely that a higher percentage of players are clearing Heroic now than back in WoD.
There’s about 23% fewer people that cleared Dazar’alor on Heroic in 6 months than there was that cleared Hellfire Citadel in 14 months.
I try to find evidence using math and numbers. We have no way of 100% objectively knowing the subscriber numbers unless Blizzard tells us. It’s still better than the posts you conveniently ignore providing no evidence whatsoever that BfA is dead and Classic will destroy it.
Continue ignoring those posts and displaying your hypocrisy for all to see, good day.