Stop pretending to be player/customer friendly, and then do the opposite of what everyone wants.
Grip is NOT a raid buff
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They are listening to players, just not to you guys that keep spamming the same played out thread over and over about Death Grip. If you cant see blizzards reasoning then you are forever going to be disappointed.
No they are not.
More people will spam the hashtags made by Taeznak and many DK that abhor this rubbish change. They might cave in much like they did with MM Hunter with pets.
We do see their reasoning. It’s just their reasoning is just bad.
So bad that there is a trend of #GripIsNOTaRaidBuff & #DeleteWounds that people have been asking for years that you've yet to read the room.
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Yes they absolutely are.
Then do it in the same thread, not spamming a whole bunch of threads burying other threads that are more important.
No you dont. You absolutely dont.
For the years that you have interacted with me, you have learned nothing. Guess what… i dont like wounds. Your KDS is showing again.
Grip is a raid buff in a certain context. Sorry that you guys hate grip but its a you problem.
That is the sanest thing I’ve ever read from you for a while.
Well done!
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Are you literally just realizing that now despite me saying it like 5 years ago? Kiddies first realization! Congrats!
Grip is a raid buff.
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This guy here been going to different DK posts and trying to argue.
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Well, it is. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean its not.
I know he has, Veri doesnt have anything better to do.
Talking about you fam.
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You were responding to me… not talking about me… be better.
And no, I havent. You dont need 75 #Deathwhatevergripblahblah threads popping up, given that its against the ToS to create multiple threads on the same thing. Just go to that same thread to post. Even though Death Grip IS a raid buff through the context that it DOES make your group more efficient despite what all these people want to say about it. Its just not universal in that against a raid boss it does nothing. But labeling it as not something that is a boon to the group is just idiotic at its core.
Blizzard HAS been listening to the playerbase, just not the whiners.
Don’t engage with this lowlife, all you gonna do waste your entire time on a repetitive argument who been proven wrong time to time by other ppl.
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Thanks for the advice.
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You are still seething that I said your suggestion was bad, priceless.
“Make BoS baseline so people can pick up Obliteration” when Obliteration was basically mandatory already.
How long were you being the thing you claim I am? You werent even trying to argue your point, you were just doing what you are doing now like the lowlife you are.
You know MANY people are asking to reconsider right? Not just one person. Shows that removing Abom’s Limb as well as limiting Death Grip as utilities (ON TOP OF AMZ nerf), because that’s what they are, making us less desired for Raids, PvP and M+.
This is all around a rubbish change. So rubbish that there are a lot of #DeathGripIsNOTaRaidBuff movement since there are people in Blizzard Entertainment like you who see them as one as if it is something to bring DK and nothing else.
If MANY people are “breaking ToS”, then the ToS itself is meaningless against en masse of people who agreed to it to use this platform.
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Nope, not an X. It is literally against the ToS to create multiple threads when there is one already going. These threads arent getting any interaction, they are just there to spam titles on the DK forums.
Reconsider what?
There are groups of people that think using children as minesweepers because they are too weak to carry military equipment. That doesnt make them right.
What AMZ nerf? Its literally going back to before you guys were complaining about AMZ because some streamers got it nerfed by saying how good it was… now somehow… ITS BEING NERFED. Abom is being removed because it was a detriment to game health.
No its not.
I work for Blizzard? News to me.
Because you cant wrap your head around an increase in performance. Death Grip brings a increase in performance to the group. Sometimes it cant, but so what? You dont get to have everything, you arent entitled to everything. I think all “raid buffs” should be removed and you bring the player. You guys want to force people to bring a certain class. Are you guys scared that if people had to bring the player you would just sit on the bench because you arent worth bringing as a player?
If many people are murderers, then the law against murder is meaningless so we should just go mass murder people!
Thats what you sound like with that stupid argument. No, just because many people are breaking the ToS doesnt mean the ToS is meaningless, it just means a lot of policing needs to be done.
It is a raid buff no matter how many times you say its not.
They have been listening to me then because my suggestions for Frost are getting through, and many people agree with those suggestions. Wonder where the suggestions are being implemented from your side? Maybe they were all… I dont know… BAD.
… I shudder to ask who these people are. Parsalian doesn’t count.
They made Glacial Advance baseline… and applies Razorice.
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Are you saying the changes are bad? And this is a sentiment that has been echoed everywhere but these forums. You guys see a name and flip your lid and you dont actually look at the suggestion or the argument.
Ok? Just 1? What else? Did you suggest Frostscythe to be the aoe rune spender and cost 2 runes? How about separating ST and AoE? How about making Frostbane good in all scenarios like the other capstones? A lot of the people on your side still wants cleaving strikes so all they have to press is Obliterate they just want it tied to Remorseless Winter… which would work wonders with Frozen Domination.
GA applying RI has always been a bad idea. It removes the importance of the actual runeforge, but since 2h sucks I guess you gotta get everything you can right?
Actually, I wanted FScy to work like 8.3 but that’s just me and accepted that it will never happen. It needed some form of love so it got support from MotFW which is awesome.
I also wanted RP to feel good to spend since right now it’s just a means to an end to get runes back with RE. Lately, it’s not as bad since Shatter gives a good chunk amount of value for using a global on a Frost Strike against enemies with 5 stacks of Razorice.
They resolved this by making Rime proc off of RP spender.
Frostbane is icing on the cake and it gets even better since it works with Arctic Assault. AA has always been good since you are compressing globals into a single ability that we all know and love: Obliterate.
Cleaving Strikes with Obliterate needed to go anyway. Since they won’t add Death’s Due and make Death and Decay deal a form of Shadowfrost Damage, Frostscythe being a new goto AoE spender is a welcome change.
As for Razorice as a Runeforge, it’s a lot better than I think especially for Shatter Users. People would still use FC especially in PvE setting. But as for GA being baseline… If Epidemic becomes Baseline for Unholy, I don’t see a reason why GA isn’t. And they remedied that!
Frost as a spec is a step on a right direction. I currently don’t know how I feel about the new ERW change and I’m not sure about PoF being locked behind Frostbound Will.
ADDENUM: RI as a Runeforge would be REALLY good with Frostscythe! ERW too if it is AoE.
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Thats how it works in 11.2… just with a higher cost.
So why did Frostscythe die? If you listened to what Biceps said back then going into 9.0, the answer is easy.
You just talked about Shattering Frost Strikes… so its important. Also in order for RP spenders to gain stuff, things had to be taken away from Obliterate, which is what happened.
And they had to take away from the problem, Obliterate. Everyone was talking about BoS for years being the problem, turns out it wasnt BoS and always was Obliterate doing too much.
Weird, thought you supported the people saying it needed to be 5 targets, and when I said that would be bad people said what? I think the song on the broken record is called… you dont play the game.
Adding Death’s Due, or making Death and Decay Shadowfrost damage would do absolutely nothing.
Shatter is the only reason why the Runeforge has any value.
Its good, the damage sucks but the rest of it is good. The issue comes in with Frostbane not proccing Rime. That means no reduction of ERW cd and it makes the spec play worse.
Its always been good with Frostscythe for AoE applications so long as RI was on your weapon. But since GA applies RI then the Runeforge is still less important. Its like having the Enchant Power Torrent, but then you got Power Torrent from your spec and no other enchant to really takes its place because Power Torrent was important for something in your spec.