Whatever you think of their methods, Garrosh was a strong male that got things done, and Sylvanas was similar, willing to do whatever it takes to win,
The problem in the Horde now is that they have a Council so what happens if the Horde gets attacked, will they take forever to make decisions in some committee while the people of the Horde suffer,
What are your thoughts on all of this?
Well, many professional doctors and psychiatrist gathered to investigate and revealed that both were afflicted with a terminal case of bad writing.
It was too late to save Garrosh… but perhaps… perhaps there is hope for Sylvannas and her simps!
Though I’ve seen art to the contrary, I’m pretty sure Sylvanas didn’t have a dong.
They weren’t good leaders, but they were (sometimes) interesting characters. Conflict is at the heart of any story, and boy howdy, did their time in the warchief’s chair come with conflict.
Time will tell if the current approach will be interesting enough to keep the story going. Good judgement and practical compromises rarely add up to a story worth the time to tell, even if they do make the most sense overall.
That’s what made her a bad leader. She only cared about winning. She never cared about what was best for her people. In fact, she threw her people under the bus repeatedly just to win.
Garrosh:
Remind me again how he
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Good in what context? Ends usually do justify the means as much as we preach it doesnt.
Usa’s entire existance, for example. But of course you have to win. Sylvanas didnt really win anything for anyone but her self so far… so no.
I mean given that civil war broke out as a result of both Garrosh and Sylvanas’ leadership, I’m pretty sure their means weren’t even good, let alone their ends.
They were great for Blizzard’s no-talent writers, since it meant they could coast a few more years without writing a story that could even pass muster in your average kindergarten.
Garrosh was well written in Stonetalon Mountains, but the writer for that quest admitted it was a mistake as he was trying to redeem Garrosh while the plan was to make him an unapologetic villain.
The Stonetalon quests were written for Thrall and then changed at the last minute. Whomever wrote them had no idea that Garrosh was going to be in charge.
EVERY OTHER INCIDENCE OF GARROSH, from the moment of his introduction 4 years before that, paints a dastardly picture.
There’s no way that storyline was written for Garrosh. I know it’s claimed it was, but they’re lying.
Let’s consider the possibilities. Which of these seems more likely:
Garrosh was not a good leader but he was a good written character, except the Stonetalon mistake.
A good character does not necessarily need to be a goody goody person. A character can be evil or racist but written well. Garrosh was arrogant, selfish, racist and had a superiority complex and add some daddy issues and you have a mess.
His actions though was inline with his character so that made him interesting except for stonetalon as that did not fit with his character.
Sylvanas was as well similar to Garrosh. She was cunning, selfish, secretive and did not care about anyone other than herself, even the Forsaken. She has used the Horde, the forsaken for her own agenda since Vanilla.
This made her an interesting/good written character. Unfortunately, She was ruined with SL lore by danuser. She will probably be a goody two shoes starting with the new so called Saga.
You did Stonetalon?
I did Stonetalon.
I didn’t stick to that path with Garrosh. I didn’t – not everyone was on board. Not everyone got the memo as it were, as we were designing – and that was my fault. Because when you’re doing, when you’re trying – because I was actually trying to bring Garrosh around, and Stonetalon was going to be the first of that. Cataclysm was pretty crazy time for us.
You had so much to do.
We did quite a lot of work. So I feel like there was a little bit of miscommunication on my part that kind of led to Garrosh going down another, darker path. So there’s an interesting tidbit for you.
Alex Afrasiabi
Former Creative Director
They weren’t.
They took a finite resource (people) and squandered it.
The Goblins would make better leaders, realistically speaking.
Yes, I acknowledged that in my post.
And we are believing a single word that Alex Afrasiabi says because… why?
Whatever you say, bud.
Sorry that reading past the first sentence was too hard for you.
No. They brought destruction on their own cities.
It was never about leading. It was always about them.
Yeah but in both their cases those methods involved dabbling and dealing with dark, powerful entities whose true intentions they didn’t actually know. That alone disqualifies either of them from the running for “good leader”.
Because he was a Dev at the time.