Walked out with a cart full of parts to go with CPU/Mobo I got for Christmas… had couple slices of pizza, and started unboxing… Finished windows install about 2 AM.
The Hyper 212 can only cool up to 150Watt TDP (yea I know not exact).
You need at least a D15, preferably a high end liquid cooler for the 12900K. Honestly, if you can return the board, CPU and RAM it would be faster and cheaper to get a 5800X3D with high end DDR4 instead.
They were basically giving it away or selling it for $50 but it was only Asus boards I believe.
As of a few days ago they’re selling 7900x + motherboard + ram for $600. Really hard to beat those, but it is speaking volume on the pricing of these components.
The Mother Board was free with the CPU. So, I got both for about $450.
Thanks for tip about the cooler. So far it seems to be ok, but I haven’t really pushed it yet. I will probably switch it out for a Water cooler, with a 2 or 3 fan RGB radiator. I had already been thinking about it, cuz the 212 is interfering with a ram slot. I had read this cooler was “offset”, but the one I got is not. must be an older unit. I eventually want to add the other two sticks of ram.
I can’t post pics or links on the forums, cuz of my “Trust” level, which is weird since I’ve had this account since Vanilla.
Really happy with this case. It looks really nice with the Giant RGB fans on front.
It’s not a ‘woulda’ kind of thing. i9 CPU’s are such gluttons for power that there’s technically no market-accessible cooler that can keep the CPU from hitting thermal throttles when topped out.
I normally don’t recommend liquid cooling solutions because they’re more complicated, introduce more points of failure and on a typical build don’t bring much to the table, but ultra-high end computer builds, especially an i9 CPU is the one place where I’d call it ‘mandatory.’
What they said.
You need a better cooler. If not a liquid cooling solution, then something other than a low end heatsink and fan combo.
eh…i’ve got the 13700K, essentially the same as the 12900k, on a 360. It can do a 1 hour cinebench23 loop (5.3ghz p-core, 4.3ghz e-core, 30.5k score) without throttling. It hits 90c, but it doesn’t throttle. That’s with the factory voltage, which is probably higher than it really needs, too.
But I do agree…you need a really good cooler to keep these new parts in check.
Ultimately depends on the load OP throws at it. I’m sure it’ll throttle in a lot of situation and not ideal but it’ll be enough to get by.
OP is already on the search for a new cooler.
For what’s it’s worth some people in the sffpc community are “cooling” this thing with an L9i. It’s definitely going as you expect it but passable for gaming.
True, but I also wouldn’t buy an i9 if I was just playing video games. I’d probably buy an i5, or whatever AMD’s market equivalent is.
90 C is too hot. Although I was also referring to some tests Linus Tech Tips did where they deliberately ran the CPU at capacity, where they discovered that even exotic liquid cooling solutions - look up ‘DON’T Water Cool Your PC! - IceGiant Copper Prototype’ on YouTube- still can’t keep pace. And I’m pretty sure people aren’t going to dip their motherboards in Vaseline so they can mitigate short risk due to condensation from manually feeding dry ice or liquid nitrogen into a cooling loop.
A transmission in a car isn’t “out of spec” if you can’t hammer a passenger car uphill hauling a trailer for 12 hours without it overheating, that’s just not the application.
Daily driving? Sure, a passenger car transmission is fine.
An i9 in a gaming rig isn’t going to need full tilt CBR23 loads on a daily basis, so it only needs to survive the loads it is being given.
Eh, it depends. In 2023, I would not personally get a 6 P-core. There’s also the benefit of increased L2/3 cache, which even in games that can’t utilize 8 P-cores can’t overcome with overclocking.
Nothing wrong with the 13600k, but the 8 P-core layouts do have value.
As far as 13th gen goes, I don’t think the i9 is worth paying for either, since the i7 has the same P-core layout and almost as much L2/3 cache.
I assume the comment on PSU’s is referring to their efficiency rating but what would you be looking for w/ regard to voltage regulation on motherboards?
I mean I believe I said this. These are synthetic full CPU loads. When was the last time a game slammed all 8 P-cores and 8 E-cores?
Most gaming sessions I see CPU power rarely surpasses the 120w mark, and it isn’t sustained.
I don’t think this is the scenario here for the most part; the user has an ASUS Z690 TUF which has a more than sufficient VRM…they just kinda chose poorly with a cooler. Which should still be fine for the most part in gaming and can easily be upgraded later.
Also, 90c is NOT too hot. Maybe back in the 10th gen and below days, but nowadays, both AMD and Intel spec is designed to run at that temperature. We are talking this is standard operating temperature, especially for AMD chips.
Actually, it has been commonly accepted that anything under 100c is fine for Intel chips. This is the temperature that it is designed to begin to throttle at, and Intel specifically states there should be no expectation of damage.
Tjunction max is the maximum thermal junction temperature that a processor will allow prior to using internal thermal control mechanisms to reduce power and limit temperature. Activation of the processor’s thermal control system may cause performance loss as the processor typically reduces frequency and power to prevent overheating. The maximum junction temperature limit varies per product and usually is between 100°C-110°C. Consult the product specification page [ark.intel.com] (ark.intel.com) to determine the details for specific processor models. The goal for a system builder or a do-it-yourself (DIY) end user is to design a platform configuration that keeps the processor under the Tjunction max threshold during heavy workloads to maximize performance of the system.
The benefit to a user is that many third-party utilities can monitor the digital thermal sensor (DTS) on the processor die to see how close the system is approaching the Tjunction max temperature without any destructive testing. We recommend that end users look up information on the product specification page (ARK) to aid them in system assembly. Original design manufacturers should consult the nondisclosure agreement (NDA) documentation available to them for full details.
Keep in mind, that is full on CPU load. This is not representative of gaming or otherwise non-power user usage, where in real life situations temps are under 70.
From personal experience, this has been the case for me. I overclcoked my 8700k to 5ghz delidded on lidquid metal; while full power CBR23 benches could poke at 90c or more, real life workloads were under 80.
My 10900K also had a similar setup, although it was not delidded/LM. It had a modified turbo table with a minimum of 5.1ghz (vs 4.8/4.9ghz stock) and a maximum of 5.4ghz. Again, full tilt was teetering on the edge of throttling, which is fine since that was never asked of it, but in gaming, temps were closer to 70 or lower.
Admittedly, I am not 100% stock, as I am using a contact frame straightener from Thermalright.
Ran some temp checks with the CM 212. I’ve not done any OC yet, so 100% stock for now.
Idling, All cores are in the 22 to 25 C range.
Playing Wow, temps are 37 to 52 C. Highest temp I’ve seen so far is brief spike to 70 C in a single core. The rest of the cores Max temp is 45 to 64 range.
So, the 212 is doing Ok, at least playing wow at stock clock speeds. I am going to upgrade to an AIO water cooler.
I suspect in WoW specifically you won’t ever encounter CPU thermal problems.
Now, if you load up MW2 or CP2077, those are much more CPU demanding and I wouldn’t be surprised to see 80c+ performance. Again, if you aren’t hitting thermal throttle, or power limit throttling, I wouldn’t worry too much.
At this point, for your use case, going to a bit AIO will just help with noise.
