Weaponsmith - champion or reaper?

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So i’ve been wondering, its been some time since I played vanilla (obviously) and getting ready for classic I’ve been getting my character design ready, I’m going Pally, with mining and BS - weaponsmith. Now the question is do I go with Arcanite reaper, or the champion?

Now I understand looking at it, the reaper has higher weapon damage, which is great for pallies, especially reck builds, or ret with SoC being able to pump out some high numbers is awesome.
But looking at the champion, it doesn’t have the high end weapon damage, but the buff from the proc is really really nice, as it doesn’t share a CD with crusader.

I’ve ran some numbers and the Champion seems to have a small lead with the proc str, plus the healing a nice bonus especially if you chant crusader on it. What do you guys think, its been a long time and I cant really find info on it anymore of which one would be better.

just for reference 1 str = 2 AP and 14 AP = 1 dps. so the champion would give 120str = 240 AP / 14 = 17.14DPS for 30 sec, not sure of the PPM.

cant put links in, but just google arcanite champion/reaper - make sure you get a vanilla site too

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Before Theloras hops in here, the current “idea” for max Ret DPS is Spelladin - meaning instead of going for a traditional weapon like either the Reapor or the Champion, you farm Manual Crowd Pummelers for maximum attack speed and then switch to a weapon that is more appropriate for the build, like the Flurry Axe or Blade of Hanna.

As far as the normal Ret build, though… I’m not sure. Honestly the faster attack speed from Champion is probably better, since you don’t really want the top end but more procs. Your damage is primarily magical too if I recall right, so you don’t really want to just stack AP.

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If you’re using seal of command reaper will be better, you only get a certain amount of procs per minute no matter what the speed of the weapon is. Also seal of command even rank 1 does 70% of your top end weapon damage.

Now I’d youre running the spelladin setup which was mentioned above seal of righteousness will be your go to with the Manuel crowd pummeler and from the looks of it is hands down the most possible ret dps.

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:cocktail:

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Both are just a waste of arcanite. Save that stuff for sulfuras, thunderfury, lionheart, titanic leggings, nightfall… basically anything other than those.

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yeah bis ret pal weapon is anything that gives a haste buff lol so probably that mace from gnomeregan >.< kek

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The crowd pummeler only has 3 charges for the speed buff in vanilla, so i dont think its really that good

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The MCP has to be farmed so you can bring a stack of them to raids. It is not a one off.

As to your original question, I would lean towards the champion, but don’t know for sure. Maybe Theloras will hear the call of the ret and show up with full sims for both.

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it really depends what you intend to do, and how the individual items will function in the given WoW Classic Client…

Arcanite Champion
Binds when equipped
Two-Hand Sword
129 - 194 Damage Speed 3.00
(53.83 damage per second)
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 58
Chance on hit: [Heal self for 270 to 450 and Increases Strength by 120 for 30 sec.]

Arcanite Reaper
Binds when equipped
Two-hand Axe
153 - 256 Damage Speed 3.80
(53.8 damage per second)
+13 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 58
Equip: [+62 Attack Power.]

Both weapons are very powerful in their own way, but each is individually catered to its own specific function, and the extent of this function will be a result of the scripting which defines it.

this mainly being… Should Arcanite Champion possess an ICD (internal cooldown) it would vastly weaken or strengthen the effectiveness of said weapon due to it being able or not to proc off multiple reckoning attacks simultaneously, however assuming that it does not have an ICD…

that would yield 5 attacks multiplied by a maximum of 450 healing offering a total of 2,250 healing to the player based off one attack combo… and then on top of this, should it proc off of every SoR proc as well this would jump it to a total of 4,500 healing on one attack (in a best case scenario) … making this an incredible PvP weapon (and this doesn’t account for the potential of +healing interaction however it is highly likely this will not be a factor.)

that being said if it does possess an ICD that reduces that grand total back down to a total of 450 healing (in a best case scenario) no matter the amount of attacks made, and as a result it wouldn’t be nearly as effective…

While examining Arcanite Reaper however; we can see that this weapon offers a vastly slower attack speed and simultaneously a far higher top end, to this end it becomes apparent that Arcanite Reaper would be the far superior PvE option of the two especially in regards to utilising a SoComm rotation, and should Arcanite Champion possess an ICD; Arcanite Reaper would also be the far stronger PvP option… that being said should Arcanite Champion not possess an ICD this could very much be up for debate, haha I mean who wouldnt love 4,500 healing at the swing of a sword.

At the end of the day it all comes down to preference, play-style and taste however; and whatever makes the game the most fun for you.

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Manual Crowd Pummelers are best in slot for 2-hander Paladins. Go farm Gnomer for several of them and leave the Arcanite for anything else.

Sword and Board Paladins will get more mileage out of something like Flurry Axe, which procs extra attacks that I believe procs Seal of Righteousness also.

Just because it says “Requires Level 58” or higher doesn’t mean it is the best for a Paladin.

PS–before doing Ret/anything, either look up Spelladin builds or try a 20/31/0 AoE grinder build.

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he was asking about two specific weapons…

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Almost nothing in vanilla had an ICD, Arcanite Champion is one of them for certain as I have had back to back procs.

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From strictly back to back mob grind, champion is better. For PVP and seeking a bit more amusement reaper is better.

Its like leveling shaman. 1 hander and Flametongue is the quickest but WF on a slow 2 hander is REALLY satisfying when you get a nice proc.

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What the hell are you talking about? So you are telling me I can’t get SoC/Windfury/HoJ procs on subsequent attacks? Please enlighten me oh hostile one.

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haha… ahhh you realise that none of those proc subsequently right? :sweat_smile: idk what private server you have been playing on, but you will never receive more then one SoC or HoJ combo in one reckoning bomb ever due to internal cooldowns…

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What? When did I ever mention Reckoning… but I do agree that I have never had more than one proc of each on a reck bomb. Arcanite Champion I know is different than those as I was gifted one and used it for the longest time. It definitely procced on a swing+SoC or Swing+Judgement. Similar to thrash blade and shimmering platinum warhammer. Whether you think it was on a Pserver or not, I can’t give proof otherwise. If I could express the truth, I would guarantee that none of those items have ever been in my possession off of blizzards official servers.

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the original post was about reckoning haha :sweat_smile:, thats why the majority of my post was tailored around it…

eh im not really phased either way, i would like to hope that classic would be identically scripted to the original game, however im more then willing to accept that what we get is what we get, and from the sounds of it what we will get is not what we got, to that extent i have no idea if the item will possess an ICD and that is why i offered the resulting scenarios for both situations.

and thats why i dont use my experience on private severs as a basis for any knowledge i have of the game or any i may have of the game :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Whether it’s lucky or not, your best case scenario of the proc probably won’t happen as the proc was fairly rare. I’d give it a 1-1.5 ppm if I were to guess. So a 5-7% proc chance so only ~55% chance at best to get even 1 proc on a full reck bomb using SoR to spike the number of chances.

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mmmm probably effectivity wise in reference to that; arcanite reaper is the way to go, that being said we have no firm evidence at all regarding proc rates and so that could be wildly inaccurate. Although in the end it all comes down to what makes the player happiest to play with :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I was happy with it until I found out about the shimmering platinum warhammer several months later.

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