We told you Blizzard was not going to cave in

That didn’t answer the question.

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Yes it did?

No it didn’t?

doesnt pretty much everything end game require group content? raids dungeons pvp? unless youre just teaching them how to keybind and do world quests

Well not my problem you don’t understand basic things. So lets me sum it up for you.

One extra person just started playing and got the battle chest. He got a free 120. The others will come when shadowland hits. When the others come I will have a full group do to do shadowland dungeons in.

You can teach people the basics of the game without doing group content, WOW is not that hard, the hardest part is really dealing with the people in it. I’ve raided and done content in other mmos. So the basics are all sound. Some of them are new to mmos, so it will be fun doing group content with them.

Using social connections to do the game.

Anything else I can help you with?

What? That’s the easy part.

So what you are really saying is blizzard doesn’t listen and then caves later on in the xpac as people begin to leave and they start losing money. So wait till X.1 or X.2 for them to get their heads out of their behinds about covenants.

Got it.

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You can teach people the basics of group content, the core of the game, without doing group content? Seems hypocritical to tell people to do group content while not doing group content. Also seems you are avoiding doing said group content with your friends because you know they wouldn’t be any good at it. Also, fairly hypocritical.

Just as we’ve seen with many things lately…it’s the loudest that gets heard, which are often the minority, not the majority.
The other problem is that so many games cater to the ‘professional’ players (esports, top ranked, etc) and change things based entirely off of their feedback.
AKA their designing a game around what .001% of players care about.

Since i’ll never be heard, my list of ‘wants’ is:
-Class specs to EACH feel unique (now every class will share abilities that were once unique to a spec…killing customization)
-PvP balance has been utterly awful for Alliance in Battlegrounds. Good luck winning a match out of 10, no matter how good or hard you play.
-No RNG traits on gear
-Professions feeling unique again, with various things you can create that are based around utility, quality of life, etc. NOT damage boons.
-ALT balance, i’m tired of playing the game of infinite catch up on alts for infinite grinds that are often locked behind wait times
-Better dual specing for healers who want to progress through end game solo content, but struggle to make it through many different things due to their gear all being focused on one spec or another
-The selling of runs/progression. This is telling people that if you have the gold, you deserve things that people have worked hard to achieve…that one person could have massive amounts of experience in certain content, but get passed down due to iLVL being lower in favor of higher iLVL players who most likely bought their way to the top and have zero game knowledge/skill

end rant

? What are you talking about. I gave feedback telling how I want the game to be. It would make the community better if players had to be more social. Im doing what I preach. Using my social connections to get players to do content. I think pugging is too strong, and breaks the connections you make with people.

That is it. I’m glad you understand this. Debating is not your strong point sadly.

Almost your entire list is something the high end players want too lol. The only thing is the last part about selling runs. Unfortunately you have to talk to your casual friends about that one. They are the one with the demand and the high end players are only providing the service for that demand.

But you are more social when you pug, not with a guild. You can’t claim to be more social but at the same time only spend time with a select group of individuals lol.

Ironic.

Facts.

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Not really, because group finder and things like raider IO breaks connections you make. You don’t need to add them to guilds or friends list because you got tools that break that social connections you need to make.

Basic stuff here.

That’s a different argument and even still, it doesn’t hold much water when you take into account friends lists and communities. Unfortunately you seem to have a fairly substantial misunderstanding of what being social actually entails.

Edit: Also, I’m not sure how RaiderIO got thrown into this. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything lol.

? Not really no. Because i play other mmos and do other end games content with mmos. I done group content and pug content in said mmos, and wow pug scene is by far the worse because it being too good, taking away from social elements and guilds.

Why build or join a guild if I can have a addon to help me build the perfect pug?

Point being is, other mmos understand this. Wow one day will I hope.

And if people use raider io to prevent certain players in certain covs to do pugs. Blizzard might at last see the problem.

You keep saying this, yet you never explain how.

Other than RIO.

In other words, you don’t need the power component of Covenants at all, you’re making your choice purely on esthetics as no Covenant ability improves… checks notes “chat with friends”.

And you’re somehow gleeful that people who want to be afforded the same ability to pick a Covenant based on esthetics can’t because of a power component that will be mathed out to death until it’s completely locked in and figured out until the eventual “tuning pass” that will flip everything around and fix nothing, but require regrinding a bunch of stuff.

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Again, you seem to have a fairly substantial misunderstanding of what being social entails. Other MMOs are irrelevant to the discussion because other MMOs do not change the fact you can easily be social in this game without a guild. Also, I’m not sure how WoWs pug scene is “too good” when other games, using your own logic, are built around that pug scene pretty hardcore.

Define “perfect pug.” Also, people in guilds still use said addon.

Yeah, that they keep adding convoluted systems to the game that borderline requires people to filter who they group with lol.

I have explained it. What are you talking about?

Pugs should have bigger risks to it. To make the best guild. You should have players you know are decent in your friends, or get them into a guild settings. To make players be more social.

Group Finder is fine, all it does is make things faster instead of spamming chat for a group. My problem with group finder is addons that score players base off content they done. Making it higher chance of having a good pug group. Without that risk of failure in pugs. You are not needed to add friends, or to even join guilds. Thus the social element of the game dies down due to how easy it is to do group content in pugs.

I mean this is common sense.