You did, actually
You do actually, and you did actually
They do, actually
Inter covenant DPS varied by over 20%, actually
Please actually learn how to play the game
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Yawntrail happened.
No, Shadowbringers and Endwalker were MASSIVELY better than SL. Massively.
This is just objectively wrong in every way possible.
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I skipped out on most of SL and hate it for that massive grind for cosmetics.
Can Shadowlands TW get here any quicker please?
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Ya that was another huge issue. Unreasonable grind because COVID caused a content drought and they needed to drag it out. This is even after COVID caused a massive surge in interest in WoW and caused Shadowlands to have a higher than normal launch. Such a shame they wasted all that goodwill on a bad expansion.
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Friendly reminder that Blizzard openly said that Dragonflight was a “course-correction” after Shadowlands during GDC. Since you do not course-correct after a massively super successful expansion and Blizzard notably ignores forum noise and focuses on their internal metrics, then even an actual cretin like you can deduce that something was deeply wrong with Shadowlands or they would not feel the need to not only course-correct but also use said course-correction to soothe their investors.
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I’m uncertain too, although currently SL seems to be the most active played Xpac. Even though the phasing in & out, weekly quest & objectives can be competitive, having to wait certain objectives to re-spawn due to another player having hit already.
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I know they said that. No question the backlash against Shadowlands was very “loud”, coming from the small group of players who use the forums. No question some major YouTube CCs saw the rage, jumped on the band wagon and fed that mob what they wanted to hear.
That rage was magnified and appeared to be coming from everyone. These people even convinced themselves that they “spoke for the community”, meaning millions of players.
Because of that the negative publicity was overwhelming and Blizzard had to do something to stop the negative publicity.
Now was that representative of how the millions of players felt? Or was it just this magnified rage from a small percent. Fact is, we have no evidence at all other than what Blizzard put out.
And what did they put out? They put out the statements you mention which makes it appear that they agreed with the mob but they also put out a graph showing that the drop in subscriptions was about the same for BfA and SL.
Then in a Preach Interview Ion said that the lesson from Shadowlands was that they spent too much time concentrating on the story. He the went on to talk about end game.
So there have been many conflicting statements but the one thing we have not seen, is an unbiased poll of the player base in general. What that means is that we have no idea if “the community” hated Shadowlands, as its detractors claim they do, or if to them it was just another expansion.
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I play Casual. It means I am behind in gear but if you would compare me to players of the same ilevel, I am good. And I am more of an M+ player than a Raider but I do Raid/AoTC at the very end after I am overgeared… but my specs remained for M+ not for Raid.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bronzebeard/jhannae?zone=25&partition=3&bybracket=1
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Came from everywhere. Proof that the majority hated SL.
That’s because it was coming from the majority of players.
How can a “loud minority” produce overwhelming negative publicity?
Yes.
They had to agree with “the mob” because that was the majority. They were going to start truly losing money if they didn’t “course correct” after the terrible disaster of SL.
We KNOW for a fact that the majority of the community hated SL.
Edit - but none of this matters because you refuse to listen to any type of logical reasoning and you’ll just continue to troll about SL.
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At least they are slowly retconning it piece by piece.
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The person you’re replying to does nothing but gaslight and victim blame on the forums. One of those people that thinks everyone must think like them, and can’t conceive of any viewpoint other than their own. Blocked long ago, it’s impossible to have any sort of reasonable discussion.
The reality is Shadowlands dropped so low that WOW was basically a non-factor at that point (especially since FF14 was going from Shadowbringers into Endwalker at that point). The exodus from WOW was so massive that FF14 had to stop allowing new accounts for a bit.
We obviously don’t have the true numbers because Blizzard won’t release them, but you can make an educated guess based on some other factors, and a lot of the educated guesses have WOW dropping under 250k. Activision Blizzard as a whole wasn’t losing money, but Blizzard and WOW sure were at that point.
They didn’t do a 180 from Shadowlands because it was “secretly popular”. Dragonflight is the only reason we’re still posting on these forums today. It saved the game.
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How do you know that? Of the millions of WoW players only a small percentage use the forums. Of those a small percentage complained about Shadowlands. How do you know how the millions of player feel who never use the forums?
If each person who hates Shadowlands puts out multiple hate notes, then certain YouTube CCs see the rage from that group and feed them what they want to hear to increase their click rate. Now there is a loud voice coming from a small group. That’s an area where Social Media (i.e. YouTube, reddit, etc) excell.
But it still says nothing about how the millions of players feel who never use the forums and never express their opinion.
What we do have is the graph which shows a similar late expansion drop off of subscriptions with BfA and Shadowlands.
Maybe. Or maybe they had to agree with the majority to stop the negative publicity. Fact is we just don’t know. And Ion did not confirm this in his Preach interview.
There is no information anywhere that says how the millions of players feel that don’t speak out in social media. All we know is what the graph says, the usual drop in subscriptions happened after BfA and Shadowlands.
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It really is amazing how stupid she is
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Yes, that is what they said at one point in one meeting. At that same meeting they put out a graph showing that the drop in subscriptions was about the same as it was after BfA. The statement said one thing, the graph said almost the opposite.
Then in a Preach Interview Ion said something else entirely about the lesson of Shadowlands, how they were spending too much time on story and he went on to talk about Mythic end game.
So add that up and you have pretty much nothing.
But in no case have we seen any indication of how the millions of people feel who play the game but don’t put opinions in the forum. None at all. The vast majority of players don’t say much of anything in the forums and if they do it’s just asking or answering “How to” questions.
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This is honestly such a GOAT’d post I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone get embarassed this hard on here before
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Yeah, I didn’t played War Within until K’aresh but this part was fantastic (Besides Alleria) The lore was entertaining.
They are slowly returning to the original path (Cosmic horrors beyond our comprehension)
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No, they just quit SL in droves. Enough for…
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And the graph they put out said the opposite. And Ion said something entirely different in a Preach interview. Your point?
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Wrong.
Wrong.
Blizzard wouldn’t have done a course correction from SL to DF if there was no reason. The reason: players hated SL and were leaving in droves.
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