Ignored or was not aware of? Our only indicator of her location is that Vereesa says she’s “cleaning up nicely up top” which suggests Jaina never even entered the sewers where the worst of it happened and may or may not have been to Krasus. As for sending the fleet, this was as deterrence to prevent an escalation into a naval battle, unfortunately as the Council expected, it DID result in one…
Fairness sort of went out the window when Garrosh stooped to sabotage and bribery of neutral agents to do his dirty work…
I entered the conversation when you tried to claim Jaina indiscriminately slaughtered Sunreavers on the street.
As for what is “Fair” in the Purge, considering half the things Garrosh’s regime had done to the Alliance, what is “Fair” at that point?
It is an all out war zone for a civil war, what disturbs me more is not that Jaina isn’t omnipotent in this case, but that while Varian crawls all over Jaina for this, did VEREESA ever face any punishment or those under her in the SC? Or even we ourselves as the PCs?
There’s a difference between logic and game design. Every race has one or more classes they cannot be. Humans cant be Shamans, Dwarves cant be druids, there isnt a single race that can be every single class.
I may be tired and lacking caffeine, but Im not sure I see your point in this para. Both of your points are based on lore. And if you create a race that is designed to function a certain way, investing them with the ability to do something at odds with that design doesn’t really make sense to me.
So making Void Elves - who actually have the word “void” in their racial name (for good reason) and then saying ok, they can be Paladins (whose core energy is the Holy Light) makes zero sense to me. But then, as I said, they let Lightforged be Shadow Priests, so sense isn’t always apparently that important to the devs. So maybe one day we will get Velf Paladins.
I wouldnt mind it if they created Dark Paladins, who functioned as Paladins of the Void. That would be kinda neat.
So the actions of 2 people justify killing countless innocents? The Sunreavers as a group were not even a part the Horde, or Garrosh. That’s the hill you’re going to die on? The murders didn’t even have anything to do with that, it was merely an excuse for the Silver covenant to take out their aggression on the Sunreavers.
Because we saw her blasting away the Sunreavers in front of Aethas, despite them never making any effort to attack her. What’s stopping her from doing the same to others?
If she ignored it, she’s awful for allowing the murder of innocents, and she even took advantage of the ones that the SC didn’t allow to leave by locking up those Sunreavers that remained alive and in Dalaran.
If she wasn’t aware, she would be bound to find out about it at least by the time she was camping out with her BFF and her cronies at Isle of Thunder, and she still was ok with working with someone who ignored her orders. Not to mention she never said a word about how she’d release the Sunreavers that ended up locked up either.
No, Vereesa is still in charge of the SC (don’t even get me started on Modera and the rest of the Six…).
Again, Jaina is not innocent, but she’s not the only one who is not innocent either.
It’s Vereesa.
Out of the Windrunners’, she’s always been the stupidest of the three when it comes to any storytelling that involves them (and the other two are not much better).
Every time she’s involved, I know something beyond ridiculous will happen.
But I hate that her always existent inconsistencies are being used to absolve Jaina.
They only allowed lightforged to be shadowpriests because the “priest” class has access to Holy, canonically you’ll never see a Shadow Priest LFD, just as you’ll never see a Holy/disc Void elf. But at least there’s a precedent for why they’d be given priest at all, where as Paladin is a purely light-based class so there’s no rational for giving them it.
In fact even the game recognizes this when you enter the Stormwind Cathedral as a Void elf, stating that it isn’t really an appropriate place for someone associated with the void to linger, despite the fact that technically they can be holy and disc if they want. It demonstrates to us that those specs are not canonical to the Void elves, and that the only purpose for them to have priest is the shadow spec.
They had their weapons out before she even enters the room, and even as she strikes them down they still don’t attack her. She then talks, and despite never being attacked kills off the others cause “why not” right?
Citation? Because in many cutscenes we see multiple NPCs casting without a problem, there’s nothing to suggest it was limitation to the animations. And if you cannot cite your claim, than it’s merely conjecture and doesn’t have a place in the conversation.
Thalen, Aethas, and the unnamed Sunreaver are not one individual, unless I really screwed up in math class… technically possible but I don’t think so…
THIS ^, also something I said earlier, the entire code for this instance is spaghetti, because there’s several things they leave out that affected the code script. (including the scene where Aethas finds the portal)
Because the name…“void” dosent seem to register???
Light cannot work with void Alleria and her Tyrellion cant even touch makes less sence to have paladin as a choice.
Preist is a caviot as you cant break up the specs.
Is the only one involved in creating the mana bomb. So when you say “They” gave him a weapon of mass destruction, you’re wrong.
And if, for arguments sake we did include the other 2 that still would not justify killing countless innocent Sunreavers who were not involved.
This is literally an assumption, and irrelevant to our conversation as it relies heavily on conjecture. Canonical events show Jaina blasting them away without retaliation.
Why are you speaking as if the whole group was involved in this when it’s a well known fact that this wasn’t the case?
If you want to use the guilt by association argument, then the Alliance it’s bound to look even worse too.
Yeah, of course he doesn’t, because the writers are scared of showing any characters giving the treatment they deserve to any Alliance related character.
Why do you think that each time Alliance does something bad, Horde has to one up them to give them a reason to retaliate?
Gameplay trumps lore.
That’s been Blizz mantra since day 1.
To leave races without a spec, would go against that mantra. It’s simple.
However, to add a class, a whole class, to a race that makes no sense, doesn’t have anything that mantra can change.
VEs are not going to be at a disadvantage for not having paladins just like any race that can’t be certain classes wouldn’t be at a disadvantage for not having access to those classes, since what race you pick for a class it’s player choice and nothing else.
It ISN’T a well known case, in fact Rhonin before he dies suspects the upper ranks of the Sunreavers had no knowledge of the events, MEANING the corruption is at the troop level… and no true investigation into how many Sunreaver troops were actually spies was done post Purge.
Horde players literally cause the Purge by stealing the Divine bell, let’s not do the blame game shall we?
Like opening the dark portal? The Horde literally causes just about every canonical war event in most of WoW… that’s not me making things up, you can literally trace it back to the first war caused by Orcs. Ironically there IS a period of peace when Thrall is the warchief pre-CATA with Jaina multiple times stopping Varian from starting a war due to false positives. Much like in Dalaran all the way up to the Purge, she talked highly of the Horde.
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If Rhonin suspected that the upper ranks “had no knowledge of the events”… how does the fact that “the corruption is at troop level” means that every Sunreaver was involved…?
Alliance players poisoned the mounts the citizens that were ordered to leave were going to use, leading them to be imprisoned unjustly.
It goes both ways.
Oh yeah, the time of peace where Alliance started invading the Barrens by encroaching on the Darkspear’s territory, which lead to the butchering of Taurajo.
Pre-cata is exactly when the best examples of Alliance doing bad things, only for the Horde to go and do worse things to overshadow everything else, are the most blatant.
The Paladin class would be for Alliance players playing High Elves. They could add a glyph or another spec that is void specced if they wanted. But it would function like Lightforged Shadow Priests or Undead Holy Priests, etc.
Besides. Easy enough to say a Blood Knight was on that island.
They’re giving us customizations so we can play High Elves Alliance side if we choose. So… they can give us tools to play a High Elf Paladin Alliance Side.
If a Void Elf chooses to use it… well… there are plenty of shadow priest lightforged.
According to a dev interview Ion gave several months ago, Blood Elves were originally unintended to have blue eyes in Shadowlands, but later on that decision was reversed following team discussions. If the art department was involved, what was the reasoning that led to blue eyes being added for Void Elves and Blood Elves?
This is another place where there was a race, High Elves, in the game which hadn’t really been represented on player characters. Blood Elves were the closest, but had felt green eyes. It was an opportunity where we had a number of elven races, and we could tie it back to their roots, letting players choose where they want to align and what fantasy to play out. We did have a lot of discussion about it, ultimately we might do more in the future, but for now we’re providing the option to have a few High Elf customizations available.
makes less sence to have paladin as a choice.