We Level TOO FAST -- AND Level Squish Depresses Me

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I started playing WOW because it’s a massive epic RPG with a very long progression system that rewards one slowly over time. A game that ends, really when you want it to. If you set enough goals, it could practically take a decade.

Or at least that was the case.
First of all – a majority of games these days, RPG or not, use some type of “leveling” system that numerically ranges from 1-100 (Typically 1-30-50). I liked that WOW offered 120 levels, and that it took some time.

It’s about the journey not the destination.
A.) They ALREADY allow one to buy a maxed character who comes with level 400+ items.
B.) It definitely has a pay to win option as one can purchase a million gold for 180-200$.
C.) They have heirlooms that can increase leveling speed by 30%.
D.) They have buffs and have had a buff that doubles XP and Rep for months.

Isn’t this enough for the ‘I’m not becoming powerful enough fast enough groupies?’

  1. My items aren’t selling as well as they once did on the AH. I craft for all expansions under several professions. I noticed a big slowdown in sales since double XP. Yet the population is higher. I imagine people aren’t buying for the same reason I don’t buy – you’ll out-level the gear before it’s worth paying for it.

  2. I over-level for any expansion by the time I finish ONE zone (with 5-7 zones to choose from). I entered Stormsong Valley in BFA as a 110 Demon Hunter. I hit 120 before i finished the last 10% of the zone.

This is stupid.
I like that they will let players now choose to go to any expansion they wish from a low level.
I think a level squish could work, but would be much better at 90-100 rather than to 60.
Increasing leveling speed by 70% (all the time) is just lunacy.

What’s the point of leveling at all.
Let’s just make a vendor in each city where you can click a button for “x” gold and be a geared 120 instantly.

Oh wait, they already have that. It’s 60$, or right now, about 330,000 gold at current market rate.

I’m a big-time Blizzard fanboy. Say what you want about their pricing models, methods or internal politics. Blizzard has made the highest quality – most finely tuned games in history the past quarter century.

However, I think this new, “2nd Cataclysm” is going to turn off hardcore players like me.

I want being max level to mean something.
Also, maxing out professions hardly pays.
In fact, I see people listing things they clearly don’t want to make a profit off of for 1/10th my price. They must be crafting just to skill up and lose money.

I “love” this game, and I don’t want to be one of those guys who is like, “the next patch will ruin the game.”

But the next patch will … make the game less fun – for me.

I’m not a new age 18 year old with a shorter attention span than a cat. I don’t mind spending 2-4 weeks maxing my level and abilities per alt.
Fallout 3-4, Vegas, Oblivion, Skyrim take about a month. I think that’s a good standard.

Opinions?

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You’ll like classic more.

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I don’t want a slow, grindy leveling system when I’m making a new alt. Because that’ll stop me from making more alts. I completely understand the point you’re making, but having seen every single expansion at least 10 times gets old very & tedious quickly.

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Please tell us more about how your opinion on speed is the correct one and how everyone who wants it faster because leveling is slow and boring is wrong. I think classic WoW is more for your taste.

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See you just being an evil bad guy with this opinion

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Classic is your friend. Leveling is boring and a slog in this game due to how broken up, meaningless the stories are… and how dated it all feels. Expansions are all about the end game. The leveling has never been the journey since Classic since back then, there really wasn’t any end game focus so people just re-leveled things.

Go play Classic. Your expectations of retail far surpasses what it is and what the community it to wanting a very different game (i.e. classic).

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You should play Classic then.

Faster leveling has breathed new life into the game for me.

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So you don’t want a fast leveling experience but don’t want a slow grinding leveling experience. Ok I think we figured it out, you don’t know what you want and just came to whine.

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100x agree.

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I don’t enjoy spending a long time on leveling. I look forward to even shorter leveling.

End game > leveling.

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Pretty sure what i posted implies I like having a fast system, though I do understand why the OP is complaining, but if you consider my post as “whining” go right ahead.

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My opinion is that the level squish is the worst ideas ever. There is no “right way” to remove 70 levels from the game and making players wait years, and pay, to get them back. Retail isn’t Classic, so the level cap; should not be 60. Also squishes period have no place in any rpg. Imagine turning on your Gameboy and finding all your level 100 Pokémon in Red/Blue/Yellow level 30 instead. Anyone who would have hated that should despise the level squish.

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If these are all things you really believe in, you should try Runescape. The game is a long grind, professions are continuously profitable and very useful, you don’t need to pay for expansions, you cannot boost characters, no heirlooms, only occasional double XP weeks, and you can level up every skill to either 99 or 120

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Leveling is boring in retail. That’s just the fact of the matter. Nothing about it is fun anymore because it’s so freakin easy and pointless. Classic at least has a challenge. Nothing in WoW is challenging unless you’re either max level or you’re doing an iron man challenge. But even then it would take an eternity and is still incredibly boring. I’m all for the faster leveling. Especially considering you can do it all in one expansion with SL thank god. I hate jumping around between expansions it always feels so disjointed :expressionless:

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I wouldn’t care if the max level of Pokémon were scaled down to 35 :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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As someone who almost exclusively levels when playing this game, I like all the workarounds and systems. It gives options.

You want to level an alt as quick as possible and make sure its fully geared and ready. You can do that. Here’s some heirlooms and maybe throw a token on the AH.

You want to level slowly with all the challenge of a new character. You can do that too. Don’t use any of the tools. They’re not forced.

Options are a good thing.

I can’t wait for the level squish. Who cares about the level number as long as the level power is staying roughly the same. My opinion, but anything over 100 just feels silly to me.

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I do think you would have more fun in classic leveling like other people said, it would speak to your tastes which are perfectly fine; I agree that the current leveling with this buff is kinda stupid, I’ve gotten 2 heritage sets in 2 days

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…did you read Sernius’ post at all?

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I am enjoying the buff. Get some of my alts finally leveled and try out some new classes. Some of us don’t level at your speed.

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Interesting … I’ve watched video of Runescape, but never played.