Was Warlords of Draenor really that bad?

No. It wasn’t that bad. It was actually quite good if you were so inclined to leave your garrison.

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Yeah it was. Consider that WoD is like the others a ‘full expansion’. Other than the raids, which are indeed awesome there is nothing else to it. No major development in plot, content developments, etc. partway through thry realised the lost potential and put that time towards making Legion epic.

Shadowlands is ofcourse not without flaws:

  • Gearing was once too limiting. I am really enjoying the new system but it is a bit late for some that have left.

  • A feeling of emptiness after reaching 40 renown.

But even with that SL has given you more progression than just the main story quest in just one patch then WoD gives as an expansion. IMO that’s a tell-tale sign that it was lacking an an expansion.

Compared to SL no , it was better. Compared to legion it was bad . There was no world content other the leveling quests . So it was pvp . Raid , or just sit In your garrison .

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by that description, i kind of feel like you didn’t play WoD.

No it was not.

WOD put gameplay above all else which is what made it so awesome. Every class was a lot of fun to play so for the people who just like to make new chars / alts and do pvp it was a lot of fun.

Usually its the raiders who cry about warlords…

SL is garbage, stopped playing weeks ago. Not fun and boring and all the class limitations are still present. Everything is a boring grind except for leveling. This game was way more fun pre-legion.

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You put value on things that don’t matter.

You should be concerned with how limited all class/specs are right now.

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I think for us Pvpers it was really good, I had 6 fully geared toons ready to do high rated at all time because farming PvP gear was really convenient and fun. I didn’t do any PvE content during WoD though so I cant speak for everyone.

My fondest memories of arena though, and where I met most of my friends today.

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Raids were great
Dungeons were good
Ashran was okay, I wish they’d still put PvP zones like this in
People say PvP was good, but if I’m not mistaken it was the era of turbo and beastcleave
Garrisons were okay, but not what they should have focused the expansion around

It just felt misguided. Over too early, not enough raid tiers. The time travel story in and of itself was a little sketchy from the jump.

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And the longest an expansion went without content aswell because of 6.1, so I can understand raiders being fussy about that.

WoD had great raids, great dungeons and it introduced what would become M+. Stats on your gear changed w the spec, so you didnt have a bunch of clutter in your bags. That being said, garrisons sucked the life out of guilds as you didn’t need the services of guildies anymore and it was the beginning of the raid or die model.

Edit: forgot to add, the story was as cr@ptastic as always.

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Somehow they’ve lived down the Twitter patch but #neverforget

WoD was adequate. At least if wasn’t as bad as Mop or Bfa. The mechanics were fun, the raids were great, and the world was interesting. I’d say it was a 6 out of 10 for me.

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I really enjoyed WOD, but I didn’t play for more than a few months, because college, so I never experienced the content drought.

Story was great, and there were LOTS of things to do in the world. I enjoyed the Garrison system.

I get that I’m probably one of maybe a dozen people who feel this way, but I really liked my months on AU Draenor.

Now SL by contrast… I played that now for about the same amount of time, as WOD, and I HATE IT. I’ve never stopped playing WoW because it was bad. I’ve stopped for school, and for work… but NEVER for the game being bad.

I actually more or less stopped playing and just kind of log in when my FF14 friends want to do something in WoW before our subs run out (these were my WoW friends, but most switched over and the rest quit MMOs). And now the rumors are that there’s going to be about another 5 months until 9.1…

Barring some amazing fixes and 9.1 grossly exceeding expectations… I think SL will be remembered as the WoW expansion that truly proved to us all that “blizzard quality” means nothing anymore but memes and disappointment.

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WoD had 3 major issues

The story was a steamy pile of ‘should not have been done’

The xpac was abandoned half way through

Garrisons were a bust because there were minimal customization options, promoted not leaving them to explore, and had mission tables that were more rewarding than any other content in the game

If you eliminated even one of those issues it would have been a solid xpac because the gearing was decent and what was released was reasonably good

It is just crazy to me… BFA, I logged in everyday for Atleast a couple of hours, do a couple M+, some WQs to up the neck a bit, n just mess around… Now I log in once a week to run one +10 M+, maybe a calling that falls in line with it, then I’m out for the week… I would usually have a crap ton of Max Level Alts right now… but, The Maw intro… I can’t do it again… I’ve done it like 4 times, no more, I can’t do it again

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how much customization could you possibly want?

you could choose the buildings and where you wanted them to go, 4 additional optional plots (plus shipyard), trophy statues, choice of racial guards, choice of festive decorations… it was meant to be a base, not a “forever home”.

i and many others were hoping for them to be the start of actual customizable housing like many other mmos have.

picking buildings t.hat literally can be min/maxed along side the other issues with them makes it feel bad

Let’s put it this way:

  • WoD had great stuff, but too little of it. Players got tired of, then came to hate, what would have otherwise been considered perfectly fine expansion features (garrisons, Ashran, etc.) With nothing to do, players left.
  • Legion had bad and good stuff, spread across many systems. Players who felt frustrated could usually find something else to do, and there were a bunch of patches.
  • BfA had bad stuff, spread across many systems. Players who didn’t like the systems had no where to do, so they left.
  • Shadowlands has… well, meh stuff, spread across few systems. As with BFA, players who don’t like the systems have no where to go, and therefor are leaving.

Moral of the Story: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CONTENT.

Warlords was basically an unfulfilled dream. To me it was the most interesting levelling experience, followed by what was pretty much an unfinished game. Way too much was made of the garrisons and shipyards, at the cost of making the rest of the game feeling like it was abandoned.

The clumsy attempt to cancel flying and the way they went about it didn’t help either.

I didn’t hate WoD, to be honest. I found the Garrison stuff tedious and just content that slowed me down. I really loved Hellfire Citadel–that’s where I first started tanking raids and I have such fond memories of it.

I think I’m okay with most of the expansions, though I did bail on BFA about halfway through. My favorites so far are Legion, Pandaria and BC in no particular order. I’m enjoying SL, we just need that patch sooner than August (or whenever).

Most of my guild has taken a break from SL so it’s hard for me to find groups to do the content I want to do. I