Making us limp around in tree form 90% of the time was the worst idea ever.
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Oh that⊠yeah⊠They are bad designers⊠That was ⊠just dumbâŠ
I mean Resto Druids were awesome outside of that though. You didnât need to spec Tree Form and probably shouldnât bother with it ultimately.
But yeah⊠that is a fair point.
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Thereâs been some questionable class design decisions in this game⊠but none of them gave me the borderline PTSD that one did lol
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Yeah, I get that. That was bad.
TBC was the first round of changes that damaged the overall feel. For example, shaman and Paladins for both factions. 25 man raids instead of 40. Arenas and resilience gear. Etc.
BC isnât the worst but itâs not Classic.
Let me just say this to change your mind. Resilience wasnât the problem. It was Arena gear that was the problem. Because getting such overpowered gear from Arena was just insane. It ruined progression.
But, Resilience the stat wasnât the problem necessarily.
Feel free to disagree. But, I think thatâs right ultimately.
I liked TBC more.
Probably the hype is intensified by the curiosity of those who never played vanilla - and even increasingly intensified by streamers capitalizing on the curiosity.
no. Weâd have simply kept Shaman horde, Paladin Alliance. With Paladins getting Heroism as their analogue to Bloodlust.
Tauren have not been even remotely suggested as getting paladins at any point in wow history until they pulled that out of their bum for Pandaria/WoD, they werenât even remotely associate with Light in general until Cata overhauled Druids into that Solar/Lunar nonsense.
Forsaken wouldâve gotten paladins before the Tauren ever with the original design team. Hell there were already Forsaken Paladins in Vanilla.
it wouldâve been trivial to have paladins. And they couldâve kept them largely the same as the TBC horde paladins as Seal of Blood wouldâve actually be pretty appropriate for what it feels like for Forsaken to wield the light.
The only problem is Dwarves as Shamans. Lorewise itâs perfectly fine, and vanilla supports it 100%. BUT. Dwarves had too many classes already. They had to remove mages just prior to release just to balance them on release with the horde races.
They might could open it up to the Night Elves perhaps, since the workings of Druids and Shamans do usually work towards the same goals.
Undead canât be Paladins for obvious reasons. And yeah, I donât care about the NPCs by the way. Bad lore is bad either way.
Tauren Paladins make perfect sense. No clue what youâre on about.
I do disagree.
Arena Gear was good for pvp, was kinda shi**y for pve though.
About the only thing you would want to use in pve was the weapon and then if you had a pve weapon of the same teir then you wouldnt bother cause the pve weapon was just better for pve, it didnt have stats wasted on resiliance.
ps: PvP gear was hilarious for wpvp, and yes it did happen just in very small locations like the daily hubs mostly.
Some one would jump you while you were grinding away in pvp gear and you would turn around and wrek them.
I have however never cared for wpvp. its mostly an unbalanced campathon of people running for guards and stuff.
Tauren had literally ZERO interaction with the light until pandaria, and only happened because of lore retcons after cata resulting from trying to shoehorn Solar crap into the Druid stuff.
It made literally zero sense at all, and everyone said as much at the time it was announced.
undead can be paladins easily. Same reason the Scarlets can be paladins. Same reason THERE ARE EXISTING FORSAKEN PALADINS IN VANILLA. Same Reasons there are undead scourge that are still paladins.
That is and always has been WoW lore.
yes letâs completely ignore the fact that weâve already established this is a thing and can absolutely work to shoehorn in a JOKE as an actual thing with ZERO lore support until we retconned it to be a thing.
TBC was without a doubt the best time period of WoW history, but classic just has louder fanboys. Hopefully, eventually, we get both. Let the classic kids get bored when content is clear and give us TBC with an early unlimited endgame experience.
No, because they become Death Knights in that situation.
Donât get me wrong, Undead Priests donât make any sense either.
Also, I donât see what would stop a Tauren from becoming Paladins.
because thereâs zero support for it. Tauren have NO priest traditions AT ALL. Neither do Orcs for that matter. They arenât even in the running to get paladins. Trolls would get paladins before they didâŠbut thereâs no lore support for that either. There IS support for Forsaken Paladins however, they exist, and how they can function is an established part of Vanilla WoW lore.
And Bartholomew isnât a Deathknight, heâs a paladin. Zelkik is both a DK AND a Paladin. Priests arenât necromancers.
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Okay, bad lore is bad.
Doesnât change my point. Nothing stopping Tauren from being Priests at all. Nothing stopping them from being Paladins.
And Undead Priests and Paladins are both stupid as hell.
I was fully prepared to dislike Pandaria and skipped the entire expansion.
Playing those zones during WOD made me realize that I was probably looking at their last great expansion. A lot of work and care went into it,
Arena and flying. Flying because it makes the world less worldy. Arena because PvP is better when they arenât fake esports. Rank grinding was bad, but fitting for a social game. Everyone on the other side actually played against you instead of just recognizing you by your title, and the fact that there was no penalty for losing, teams were large, and matches were objective based which hid issues with class balance.
Instanced PvE and class balance was great though.
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THEY HAVE NO LIGHT WORSHIPING TRADITIONS. NONE. You could make ANYONE a paladin with that excuse. Orcs? Paladins. Trolls? Paladins? The Forsaken who already have existing paladins? No Paladins.
Thereâs your reason.
Tauren getting paladins and priests is BAD LORE IS BAD. They have zero such traditions. Shamans and Druids are their exclusive spiritual leaders and always have been.
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Who cares?
For me, TBC and Wrath, while good versions of the game, just arenât old enough to feel nostalgic over. Vanilla was my first mmo and will always remain more important to me than any other follow up expansion.