This test does not give credit for partial answers. Go full war-crime or get out.
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I just think itâs funny the Horde wants the Alliance to be accountable for their actions when they never hold their own accountable for anything.
-Starting a pointless genocidal war for no legitimate reason other than Sylvanas being paranoid and wanting to destroy the Alliance to protect her own rotting hide. Justified obviously.
-Burns down a tree filled with civilians over a fit of pique. Eh, no big deal.
-Kills wounded Horde soldiers with Plague and raises their corpses as puppets. âFree willâ is subjective when itâs convenient right?
-Blights forests and wildlife for no other reason than Forsaken giggles and a desire to destroy a raceâs entire culture and way of life. All about protecting the Horde, clearly.
-Forcibly raising a corpse against his will and âconditioningâ him aka torture because Sylvanas thinks sheâs the master of death and can therefore mess with it however she wants. Well he didnât say no did he so that makes it okâŚ
And thatâs just this expansion. So far. When the Horde actually decides to follow the âhonorâ they love to talk about and actually hold their own accountable for something, then maybe theyâll have a leg to stand on regarding moral high ground.
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Wanders Spirits Be With You, sobbing uncontrollably as he slaughters customers for their Brutoburgers
âIm sorrRrRyyy, but they are so goooood.â
emits wail of confliction as he sinks his teeth into another Brutoburger
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Sighs I like how you nitpick, no one is excusing the Horde or rather, I am not blaming the Alliance for doing what they did. What annoys me is the fact that it was a legitimate warcrime and people like to gloss over it, while, when the Horde does it, they act so morally outraged about it.
I am asking for one thing, and one thing only: Be consistent. I support Teldrassil, Theramore and Dazarâalor.
I understand if you think that all three of those things were horrible.
What I donât agree with is when you act like a hypocrite, proclaiming your moral outrage over the death of civilian night elves and suddenly stop caring when civilian trolls were murdered. As Grade-A Under A would say: KEEP IT CONSISTENT, MAN!
Ah! Now hereâs a view I havenât seen often enough around here and feel is totally correct. See the thing here is, if one side escalates things to one level then not only is acceptable for the other side to respond with equal force, itâs expected.
Of course the alliance should have responded to Teldrassil with equal force turning this war into one of true extermination upon both sides because thatâs what opposing nations have to do. If someone tries to decry the alliance for wrong as pursuing that after Teldrassil then youâll have to decry them for responding to the hordeâs army with their own army instead of sticking to small skirmish forces like they were using in Silithus or something.
This, my friends is the concept of M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction), for example if one country tosses nukes at the other, the other country, should they have them is expected to respond with equal, if not more force; why? Because how else would you defend yourself?
Now, if the enemy like say the alliance chooses to show restraint in the face of such overwhelming force, then great for them, more power to them theyâre the honorable beacon shining upon a great sea sure. But that doesnât mean they would or should get derided had they responded with equal force. If right after Teldrassil Jaina decided to drown the horde capital cities sheâd be totally correct in doing it as that would be a response of equal measure brought about by Sylvanasâ escalation, not her own.
That is to say, itâs the escalator whom initially brought things up to this level that is wrong. The other side are merely playing defense and must respond to the other in kind. If the defenders manage to show restraint great! If not, well this is what they have to do now thanks to the escalator.
If you want to blame someone for civilians dying at Dazarâalor its all on the horde for Teldrassil, the alliance is fighting a war of extermination thanks to that. The horde should be too, but the writerâs wonât take it that far. But even if they were the alliance would have still been the justified one out of the two.
Certain things however, like death camps and slavery are still off limits as those are just cruel and serve no purpose in the context of defending one self from a war of course.
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Dwarf posters are always the best ![:heart:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/heart.png?v=6" ":heart:")
In what system of morality is this not a transgression? We can talk about pragmatism all day, but that doesnât mean you are free from criticism for moral transgression. A spade is a spade. Alliance atrocity isnât justified or absolved by Horde atrocity.
Again, if you can make a moral argument (not a practical or political argument) for why that is not the case I invite you to do so.
In other news, I came here to say;
Remember kids, if you try to survive when the fire monster comes for you, itâs your fault that it killed you!
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The one where you donât let the guys that want to kill you, kill you? A response of greater force is not as bad as the initial act of force. As at that point the other side is only defending itself. If they manage to show restraint, then great! If not, well then the other side shouldnât have started anything in the first place.
That is to say, if the fire monster comes to kill you, itâs perfectly fine if you kill it instead.
If the fire monster wants to kill you, you donât have to show restraint by only attempting to incapacitate it (and most likely get killed in the process), itâs the one that brought it to this level of deathmatch.
If you feel the responders are capable of showing restraint but donât, sure you can decry that. But that doesnât mean that they arenât justified in refusing to show said restraint.
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You had me up until this part. ![:grimacing:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/grimacing.png?v=6" ":grimacing:")
You incapacitate them with none lethal force.
I just realized something. There is a unique quality about trolls that could justify what would normally be considered excessive force when engaging them. Their regenerative abilities. To quote the wikiâŚ
"Although enough physical damage will kill them, trolls can regenerate grievous physical injuries at an accelerated rate, giving them a large advantage in battle. All trolls are naturally able to regenerate lost limbs and organs. Trolls are capable of regenerating things such as; a crushed throat, a shattered jaw and evisceration during the heat of battle, allowing them to continue fighting. An arrow puncturing their bodies through-and-through will have its wound regenerated in mere seconds if the arrow is removed. They can survive a stab through the neck and throat, even when their regeneration is slowed by a poison, something any other race than a troll would die to. The most dedicated troll drummers allow themselves to get flayed alive, to have their own skin used for the drum they play. It is thanks to their incredible natural regeneration that they survive the grueling ordeal.
Trolls on an individual basis are capable of controlling their powerful regeneration. How this actually works is unknown, but a troll can make a conscious decision to have a wound heal up fully, leaving no scarring behind, or to leave a scar behind as a reminder of what has happened. An example of this is Volâjin, who after having been the victim of an attempted assassination decided to leave his throat scarred, to remind him of the mistake to accept Garroshâs mission. The scar also left his voice altered, meaning if he wanted to, he could allow his body to regenerate fully so that he may regain his old voice. Though this is not something he wanted as it was the voice that had threatened Garrosh, the voice that made him accept the mission that nearly led to his death.
Troll children are taught about those cursed by the loa, unable to heal even flesh wounds, to instill the proper respect for their patron spirits. There is also a type of poison that can almost completely stop a trollâs regenerative abilities for upwards of a few weeks. Elemental fires can also temporarily prevent trolls from regenerating their wounds.
Trolls are so well known for their regenerative abilities that mixtures, which induce some form of regeneration in other races, are referred to as âtrollâs blood elixirsâ despite not actually containing any troll blood. Interesting to note is that the blood of sand trolls is thick enough to hold in your hand.
There are tales in troll culture about those blessed by the loa that can regenerate nearly the entirety of their bodies. The tale of Vulaâjin the Void speaks of how he regrew almost his entire body after standing in a pool of shadowflame."
I am pretty sure that they canât regenerate from death.
I dunno, I do a pretty good job of it whenever I try to AoE down too many enemies at once.
Were they dead? Or just disabled? A fatal injury to you or me would be a minor inconvenience to a troll.
They were dead, if you look beyond the raid path you see civilians scattered that are âdeadâ not âinjuredâ
We ALSO have robots though.
SoonâŚwe will have robot dinosâŚ
When is the last time we saw Animus golems; Suramar? What a shame. Imagine it, Animus golems versus Lightforged mechs. Though, the Vigilant are even cooler than Lightforged mechs. Should have gotten those instead.
They arenât clickable. Maybe the Alliance invasion happened during the daily siesta, and hundreds of Zandi civilians are facedown napping?
Lol, yeah, perhaps, I mean it seems like the Alliance people will make ANY excuse, and then how DARE we make any sort of excuse for Teldrassil. The hypocrisy is baffling.
Real talk, the only way the Horde and Alliance will ever be morally equivalent is if Blizzard flat out gives the Alliance an evil race and explicitly says it then puts it into actual practice in the game. Theyâve had multiple opportunities to do such and have backpeddled on them time and time again.