Long story short… this is a post I did back during the summer… I think it would fit perfectly here:
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Dueling a spellcaster as a warrior is rough, ngl.
But they tend not to wear armour!
Well…except paladins. Paladins OP af
I don’t really mind being the underdog.
Yeah, magi can just casually wipe a town from existence, warlocks summon demons, paladins are their own thing, shaman ask the elements for power (which may or may not be granted), druids are pretty powerful…
But I’m generally fond of being the guy with no magic that gets only what he earns. Makes every IC conflict with some baddy, or IC quest seem more meaningful because he earned it with blood and sweat and steel. It’s just more compelling to me.
Not to say that magi can’t struggle, mind you.
The people saying that warriors have their own magic…? That’s a neat concept. I liked the rage-mage idea form 3.5 D&D, and definitely could be an explanation. Given that fury warriors just heal themselves… but, you know. That could just be a mechanical thing.
We already break physics. The plate armor is stuff that’d mostly be too heavy to function, and 9 out of 10 weapons are so horribly designed, we wouldn’t be able to swing them at all.
WoW just runs off of the Rule of Cool.
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I have been thinking about this for a long time, but after seeing the cinematics of the game in general, the in game scenes and reading some books in universe, i think i have formulated a complete tought on power scaling and where warriors fit.
And i think it is pretty simple, no matter how powerful a mage is, he might be able to destroy a whole town with a single spell of frost magic, that mage is still made of meat, and while deffensive spells are a thing, a simple attack can be enough. And that is where the warrior can compete. Casters like mages, have more offensive power for sure, but they are just as killable as anyone. No matter how more powerful a demon hunter is, if you slice his throat, said demon hunter will die no matter what.
There is also different types of metals and enchantments, that are part of your kit. Your shield could be made of a metal that is resistant to fire and frost, you could have a special sword that goes through magic barriers.
The different races also have different physical abilities, Night Elves seem to be very agile and strong, being able to jump from tree to tree easily, Worgens even more, Orcs are naturally super strong, even humans in wow are way beyond what real life humans can do.
TL:DR Mages, shaman, warlocks, druids will have more offensive and destructive power than any warrior at their peak, but are just as killable as any creatures, is just a matter of who lands the fatal blow. But warriors can have proper equipment to deal with the said destructive powers.
And while Death Knights and Demon Hunters are physically superior in every way while also being fighters, i assume a very skilled warrior can still outmatch those, though i imagine saronite armor is very good protection.
I think it’s silly that they wouldn’t even teach some simple stuff to Warriors (i.e. the spell to make a fire and minor healing spells). Nothing major of course, but little things to help them and the mages. My character comes from a race that’s built on magic, but she’s not interested in it. Not that she hates it, it just sparks no interest for her other then enhancing what she can do. She prefers the thrill of the hunt, stalking her prey and putting an arrow into it’s neck while her pets take it down. She was just lucky her parents (who were paladins) could care less about what she did, though her choice of Hunter did upset her mage sister.
I’d like to think that Warriors can tap into “potential power” that stands out from magic such as unusual peak physical conditioning, athleticism, able to charge at multiple foes like a stallion whereas to an average individual might be impossible.
I’d like to classify that as “power” rather than magic for a warrior since they’re not just dumb-armed fighters. In fact, they require excessive knowledge for open martial combat with all types of weaponry, battle tactics, and also tap into that inner power to be able to swing his/her weapons to try & possible break rocks and/or able to leap higher.
Consider Azeroth’s physical fighters to be abnormal, supernatural and just not to underestimate them as compare to us in real like it would put us in wonder and frightening. Like Achilles, Goliath, Kenshin Battosai and such
For this character, she choose to be a warrior because magic fails. It failed Quel’thalas in the third war, and she and those she loved paid dearly because of it. Without preparation, components and space a mage is just a scholar with a staff.
Focus, skill and fury are the only tools she needs and she’ll never be stripped of them. Even disarmed and naked, she’s capable of beating her enemies into submission or even death and the frenzied rush of victory only makes her next fight more deadly. She relies on herself – because she’s the only thing she can always count on.
She recognizes that every conflict is a matter of life and death and approaches every fight as if it may be her last. There is no other way to live – everyone else is just deluding themselves.
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Magic and reliance on the arcane, the fel or the holy can backfire on you or be otherwise blocked or cancelled by other magic.
The only real failure that warriors have to contend with is A: Not maintaining their weapons and equipment to always be in top form and B: Not being in top form themselves.
Sure magic has a ton of uses, but at the end of the end of the day that sword or axe is still just as capable of cutting someone else open and/or in half.
I mean look at what happened to Medivh. Most powerful sorcerer Azeroth had ever seen, vast amounts of Arcane and Fel magic at his literal fingertips and possessed by a literal evil god…Still got taken down by a guy with a sword.
Batman and iron man dont use magic
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Some may not have the affinity to magic, and hence of such choose to be a warrior.
Or perhaps some have extremely limited capacity to magic and can only do one spell (Such as lightning) so pick up a sword - become a master of the blade and as a brilliant tactician use that one limited capacity to belch out a thunderclap upon their enemies.
You don’t need to be magic to be a badass.
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This did not age well. I blame how good velves look in plate.
Anyway, void magic to enhance physical prowess, maybe premonition idk i’m just pretty and deadly
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This.
I can’t say I agree with everything you said, but you hit the nail on the head with the important stuff.
Few have the mental and/or spiritual capacities to wield magic. I think many here believe that any person walking around Stormwind can start casting fireballs with enough training, and I believe this is completely incorrect. Very few have that potential.
Now, just about anyone can pick up a sword and swing it around, but to become a legendary Warrior, like Varian, Saurfang, or even our own characters, you have to have the will, the drive, and in most cases the physical attributes to reach that level. They are the underdogs that through sheer will power they honed the skills to the point where they can drive a sword through a giant demon…
I fully support giving warriors a bit of magic. Nightborne lose their main racial on warriors as it is. Nightbourne should say, add 1% of your damage as arcane damage.
So, there is a discussion to be had here about whether they actually utilize magic or not. Things like Thunderclap would suggest they do somehow use some bit of magic. That said, that doesn’t mean it’s canon.
Though, none of that really matters in the greater discussion. Warriors may choose that path for a variety of different reasons. My Draenei Warrior was a Paladin for the longest time. Then, after Argus and losing his youngest sister to being a Death Knight, he walked away from the light and instead chose to just improve that which he could control the most. He didn’t want to lean on a force that had it’s own agenda.
On the flip side, my Mag’har saw it far more as a matter of being bound to honor and seeking it. He thought it was far more honorable to kill his opponents with his own prowess than to rely on the elements to do his work for him. It also was a way to make sure he could hold himself accountable for every choice made, not allowing him to lie to himself about being influenced by an external force.
Warriors have the worst when it comes to their moveset and lore.
Avatar- can you really become a stone colossus? wasn’t that a dwarf thing?
Can blademasters really use mirror image?
What about the Warrior signature move, bladestorm?
We’ve seen even npcs use moves like that, so who knows.
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I see warriors and rage the same way I see monks and chi… chi is the spirit essences that I gained from inner peace and what not…
I view rage as the exact polar opposite… the driving force of chaos within ourselves that allows us to push past what normal foot man or grunts could do.
The power of rage which allows us to stomp the ground with enough force to release kinetic energy… the power leap across the battlefield… to ignore pain and strength to reflect spells back to its caster.
While it might not be magic… rage is what let’s us perform seemingly impossible feats.
Next… here is a lovely post I made a few months back that you might enjoy:
Nothing and I mean NOTHING, can overcome the chad-like aura of a true warrior. At least until you remove all your gear and switch specs like Saurfang did.
I feel like he should’ve at least brought his own weapon to the mok’gora.
Far too many times I have seen magic manipulate, and I have seen it betray. Magic lies, twists, and corrupts, but Iron, pure Iron, never lies . Fel magic will destroy you, Void will drive you to insanity, Arcane will drain you, but 200lbs is always 200lbs.
I will use axes ethed with runes, I will hoist a shield strengthen by arcane, I will don armor made light by magic, but I shall not wield it lest it wields me.
Others might say power comes from magic, but I believe power comes from strength, and true strenght is a pair of legs bolting me to the ground. Mages will run out of mana and fall. Priests will be driven to insanity and expire. Paladins might lose conviction and die. I will refuse to fall purely on my own.
I do not shun magic, but I will regard it with caution.
[Also I am a half-wolf half-man. Im pretty sure I am magical.]
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Faith in Steel.
Magics command a hefty price, even at their most ‘generous’. The Light, the Elements? They demand servitude. Fel? It’s a drug that destroys you, even as it makes you a hopeless addict to the power you think you command.
Steel? All it demands is blood, sweat, and time. All it demands is you put in the time and effort to pursue mastery. That you train, long and hard.
Steel only falters when met with a force it has not been tempered sufficiently to combat. Steel only falters when you falter.
It is by no means a ‘gentle’ taskmaster- when your foes are paragons of the arcane, great monstrosities of steel, stone, and whatever ungodly magics man may dream, your training will be arduous indeed.
But therein lies the beauty of it: mages can be rendered powerless under a curtain of anti-magic, but training cannot be silenced thusly. Shamans may lose the favor of their patrons, but Steel has no mind with which to deny its wielder. The Light may abandon the faithful, but a blade has no agenda.
Magic falters - Training doesn’t.
Casters can be struck powerless - but a Warrior is their own power.
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