but they have. did you not watch the panels or read the interviews?
Should be easy for you to cite then.
naw. you can look on youtube and see all the info you need. bout 15-20 min videos.
look up blizzcon classic panel and the other one i cant remember the name. im not doing the leg work.
some highlights though of changes they are going to make are :
loot trading and sharding for the starter zones for 1 to 2 weeks into launch.
ahh well if you take the time to go watch come back and talk again.
theres one of them.
Do you see how lame that is? If you are going to make a claim, put in the effort to cite your source, rather than what equates to āon the internet, go lookā.
PS: There was no āclassic panelā
i did cite my source or at least one of them. there was a classic panel. let me go do it cause you cant seem to do it.
that was ez. now watch.
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What you dont realise is that this massive issue is already a reality, we can see literal proof that players are now flocking to the unbalanced warrior meta on private servers, due to private servers running the final patch released before burning crusade before any admins were able to do what they always did and address the new contentās applicable power-creep.
Anyone here who actually played vanilla knows for a fact that the warrior population/community wasnt even a fraction of thisā¦ I wonder why there is such a difference between the 1.12 final tbc version of the game and the actual way in which it played, it couldnt be because the way which warrior functioned in the final patches of the game doesnt in anyway reflect how it actually played throughout the entirety of the real game could it? lets do whats right, whats best for the game, what will balance the population and reinstall the element of fantasy and balance to the game. This is World of Warcraft, not World of Warriorcraft, who can honestly say they want to run around seeing a server literally half full of warriors.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/some-numbers-proving-how-broken-1-12-is/18152/20
08/01/2018 12:21 PMPosted by [Dƫathjƫster][Some numbers proving how broken 1.12 is - #207 by Lancelot-shandris]
This is what happens when you have patch 1.9, 1.11 for warriors/rogues in at launch. Compare the combined MC-AQ result to Naxx.
https://legacyplayers.com/Raids/Ranking/Default.aspxNaxx was why those changes were made and why you see more classes represented. Pretty apparent the game is broken due to 1.12 warrior/rogue and threat changes being inserted into old raids.
What happens due to this. Population from FRESH.
Warrior 81,864
Mage 41,964
Rogue 39, 138
Hunter 37,088
Warlock 28,673
Priests 26,476
Druid 19,460
Paladin 18,215
Shaman 16,263You can do better than these scuffed private servers Blizzard.
warrior is the default choice in the character creation screen. people rolling bank alts will inflate those numbers dramatically.
and even with those numbers its nowhere near 50% like you guys say.
btw private servers in no way show the reality of what the classic servers will be.
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People keep saying this but I think they are a very good indication of what classic will be like. They are a fairly accurate recreation of the end patch of vanilla, and in recent years have gotten quite good at doing content releases.
Blizz are following a lot of what the private servers have done. They are starting at 1.12 (1.13) and are doing progressive content releases in a very similar manner. The only difference is some blizz polish to it all.
I donāt want to see changes to warriors, classic and vanilla were not a balanced game. That should be prevalent in any accurate recreation (otherwise its just a distortion).
Most of the balance happened in TBC and I think is probably the pinnacle of wow (that and wrath I really like).
im talking about the numbers people can hit with data that is just guesswork. mob resistances and armor and a whole lot of other things.
will there be alot of warriors that get to 40? ya probably. 50? less so. 60? quite a bit less.
their numbers include all warriors made. even level 1 bank alts.
This is Blizzās way to be sure their are enough warriors to tank 4 Horsemen.
Have fun DPSing, suckers! Hope you got some tank gear along the way.
< sassy feral druid looks around >
< puts on a dress and starts healing >
Oh bother.
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Private server numbers are a guess. Itās like me telling you 100 scenarios where an equation adds up to 50. Then you have to tell me that equation.
And no one will ever know how accurate private servers came. Classic will have its own version of how 1.12 data is interpreted in Retail form, but at least they have the data.
Vanilla is gone.
Private server numbers are not a guess, they are empirical data; it is a literal survey of the current player base of a sample 1.12.1 server, are the statistics SLIGHTLY increased by bank alts yes.
But denying the indisputable fact that the warrior class is currently over-represented and much more-so then any other class in the game is refuting cold hard evidence and fact, a fact which you can literally check on any single private server and confirm it right now that warriors are not even comparative in population to any other class in the game.
This isnāt a debate, question or topic of discussion, it is undeniable as gravity. how can i say this? because just like you can drop a pencil it will fall to the ground, you can check any private server right now and confirm what im saying.
The fact of the matter is warriors recieved power-creep in the final patches of the game, this is an indisputable fact; how do we know this? because we can compare their strength to any other point throughout the entire duration of vanilla and confirm that their damage output was FAR lower. We also know that this was not an intended mechanic, fact. How do we know this? the admins consistently retuned warriors every patch cycle to address any potential power-creep and bring them back to where we belong, alongside the fact that we have the lead developer of spells and talents telling us verbatim that that is exactly what the team planned and acted on throughout the entirety of vanilla. we also know that 1.12.1 was in the final phase of vanilla and so that meant there were no further chances to bring the warrior class back to where they always were, which happened the second BC released, fact.
And finally one last fact, any player who seriously cares about the health of the game and making sure it represents the content we actually played in vanilla and not what some private server players have gotten used to, is on the side of making sure vanilla stays vanilla; and vanilla warriors stay vanilla, not some tbc pre-patch version which in reality existed for one month at the end of a 2 year long game. Anyone who actually played vanilla knows that throughout its duration warriors definitely not the most overly-represented class, and anyone shilling for them is purely out for personal gain and not for ensuring equal class representation, accurate class strength or the realistic and accurate balance of vanilla which existedā¦ the game we advocated for. Any person who actually played vanilla has a clear vision of what warriors were, say no to private server trollsā¦ this isnt world of warriorcraft.
EDIT:
We want vanilla warriors not 1 month final patch warriors.
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While private servers are not exact in every detail, they are close to 1.12.
Bank alts simply cannot explain Warriors having twice the population of the other classes on pretty much every private Vanilla server.
Why? Because Warriors with 1.12 talents and proper gear are just insane in their damage output. It wrecks the balance of the game.
Warriors were not top tier dps until Naxx in Vanilla. They are the defacto dps in every raid on private servers because of how 1.12 is set up and the raid changes.
You no change people are giant hypocrites. You want no changes, yet this changes the balance of every instance save Naxx.
With the direction Blizzard is heading there will be a massive amount of Warriors, and they will gear extremely quickly. You want a fury tank, which can easily tank any instance? It will come at a cost of them reserving their best in slot items. Thos happens on private servers and there is nothing people can do about it.
There are massive tank shortages and people either pay for the tank to run the instance, usually 25g an hour at the start of the invite, or they have top pick of any item they want.
Enjoy what you are wishing for. It is a mess and is not how Vanilla played out at all. A lot of high end guilds explicitly look for geared fury warriors, they are just too good not to have. This is all pre Naxx.
Fury Warriors are taken over rogues all day long. The damage just is too good not to.
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At the end there became 2 camps of āno changersā. One camp there were those that wanted as authentic a Vanilla experience as possible - no 1.12, re-tuned instances, etc. The other camp just wanted a Blizzard backed private server.
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Exactly, we have the people advocating for vanilla, and a group of private server players advocating for another private server.
Well said.
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Iāve played a few Vanilla pservers, and a TBC one. Hereās the thing. The Pserver playerbase has way more:
-minmaxers who want the top dps down to the 8th decimal place
-people on their 16th vanilla pserver character
-pvpers with pocket healer buddies
-āraidersā in general
-people refusing to roll pala/druid because they heard it was a bad tank in a youtube vid
-99% male
Retail classic will have way more
-normal players
-people who arenāt interested in āserver first every boss, trade guild officer for consume checkā type raiding
-RP and/or PVE players
-people who will roll a certain class/spec because they find it fun (gasp)
-people gone for 10+ years who havenāt checked forums, read up on āoptimal specsā etc, and just want to try it out again
I wouldnāt be too worried. Yea warrior will prob be the most popular class, but I donāt think itāll be nearly as drastic as pservers
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1.12 was the furthest back they could go for data. so i want no changes from that point.
and yes that even means no 1.5 av ![:frowning:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=6" ":frowning:")
Oh yep this guy totally seems like someone who is advocating for whats best for classic, and doesnt at all sound like a private server player just mad that people actually want to play vanilla and not the private server final 1 month before tbc broken version of the warrior class.
as was said before, in this thread there are two types of people, actual vanilla fans who want the game we advocated for and an accurate representation of it, and private server players looking for a blizzard backed private server copy and paste.
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