I think the WW quest should offer a pair, of fury weps as a alternative fury option. The quest itself is a DPS upgrades for warriors at level 30, and a line of quest activities and materials to collect.
If given enough support to this topic do you think this would be considered a viable topic to warrant change in weapon options? I’ve always thought being singled out to be arms at that level seemed unfair, but the other viable dps option as a warrior would be some decent “whirlwind fury weapon” as an alternative for those enjoying fury leveling to arms.
The problem with dual wielding at level 30 is your weapon skill is low (5 points low every time you ding and have to relevel up to your new level, plus missing 5 from gloves or w/e) so you will need a lot of hit rating and you’ll have a ton of lost damage from glancing blows. The dps loss is too much compared to using a big slow 2 hander like the whirlwind axe. No need to add new reward options to a 16 year old quest, especially when even under the best of circumstances the new reward would be a worse option than the current options.
Plus it’s super late phase 6, you should have asked for this change 2 years ago (really 16 years ago).
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Hit requirement for dual wield is unreachable at low levels so there’s little point
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Get the swastika axe and give em the mortal strike. Simple as
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There’s two swords offered in that level range anyways from SM. Sword of omen and Vanquishers sword. Go with those if you want to be fury because until Classic+ becomes a reality there’s a 0% chance they will update anything and even if Classic+ happens it’ll be for 60 content anyways.
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The problem with fury leveling isn’t the lack of weapons (there are good weapons out there) it’s the lack of hit% on gear that you DESPERATELY need as a warrior, missing like an extra 18% of attack just cause you’re not using a 2h is painful, you’d be starving yourself of your own resource.
No, you are basically gimping yourself if you go dual wield as a leveling warrior. In fact, I’ll go as far as to say that even a sword and broad warrior will outperform DW fury while leveling.
The Whirlwind Weapon quest rewards are insanely good – especially right at Lv30, and 2h in general is much better for leveling (even 2H fury).
Going with the Arms talent tree with Axe spec+Cruelty gives so much base crit that it will easily outperform DW fury until 60. I was walking around with nearly 18% base crit at Lv45, and that’s unbuffed. Stack STR + world buffs and a Mortal Strike crit can chunk off nearly half a mob’s health bar.
DW simply requires too much stats to be worth it before endgame (and remember that classic itemization pre60 is a joke). It only works for rogues because their kit is built around DW and that they have the early talents to support it.
There’s a reason why Arms is considered the ‘leveling’ spec.
Why would you level as anything but arms? It’s just better.
People greatly underestimate dual wielding before 60. Lacking hit sucks, but you’re still fine a majority of the time. Once you can get thrash blade you’ll steamroll things just as well dual wielding as you would 2h arms if not better.
From 52-60 with axe of the deep woods and thrash blade you are able to absolutely steamroll everything. When I was doing it most mobs died fast enough that I was almost always unable to charge the next mob (<15s kill times). I was always heroic strike queuing though which might be necessary to make it work?
I disagree. hit rating at lower levels is total trash and ww axe is bis till kang.
so get mad, cus cant play it, cus u lazy. and butthurt cus u didnt get hit gear/crits as low lvls, got it, anyone else?
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you cant get any hit at lower levels so fury is vastly inferior to arms
Explain that. I could be wrong here but when you are 60 you don’t white cap. Below 60 your hit for yellow is the same for both. At 60 let’s say you are soft capped for a level 60(not raid 63) mob 5% hit. 2h 1% yellow miss 1% white miss. DW 1% yellow miss 19% white miss. Below 60 same level as you mob, you are at 5% yellow/5% white 2h. 5% yellow/24% white dw. Then compare the difference relative to 60 where we know fury is better by miles at soft cap. You have the same yellow miss as your 2h counterparts, and 19% more white miss, vs 18% more white miss at 60.
Mobs above your level affect your miss rate the same as you have no hit.
Now you can argue above some threshold of miss you miss so much it is bad. But its definitely not the omfg loser leveling spec these guys are making it out to be.
I leveled fury it was easy mode.
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Classic+ would need that and so many other things
but Classic+ isn’t safe in the hands of blizzard; don’t let them make changes if you can help it
The other part of dw is you get double crusader procs. Which are very significant heals/dps sub 60. That with blood craze and bloodthirst. You dont have to eat nearly as often. Which is in turn less rage wasted.
So many people in this thread who cannot do basic math.
The hit penalty and OH dmg reduction is to balance the greater white dmg of 2x1h vs a 2h.
If you take DW spec the white dmg is actually higher than the 2h
Lets use Bonebiter(ilvl 44 2h axe from SM) and sword of omen+vanquishers both ilvl 44 blue swords. On a mob of equal level.
Bonebiter
38.82*.96 = 36.89 dps
SoO+Vanq
(30+29.74*.5).76 = 34.10 dps
(30+29.74.625)*.76 = 36.92 dps
so while 2h will do slightly more white dps base you also need to realize that DW scales better with AP than 2H, 2H will tend to overkill more meaning wasted dps, DW will generate far more rage due to fury talents meaning more abilities.
The slowest point for leveling this char was lvl 31 - 34 when I went 2h Fury with WW axe till I switched back to DW at 34 when I got the 2 blue swords.
imagine not having sweeping strikes and axe spec while leveling oof, not to mention missing half your attacks
No, because fury is not a leveling spec. You dont have the hit rating or talents to bring it up to par with arms for leveling.
By the time that it is comparable, the axe is no longer useful anyway.
They have loss aversion. The miss of an attack feels worse than gaining many more attacks to offset.
Ultimately who really cares at level 30.
I took the mace and went 2h fury because I thought the mace was the coolest looking weapon and pretty sure I had upgraded before I got to level 35 anyway. At least by the time I was 40.