I disagree, have you seen that Tinderbeef guy, kinda deplorable.
Oh wait this is the wrong account.
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Did I get lumped in as a Derez alt again? Damn, I keep missing the popcorn gold mine.
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There are those without guilds/ friends and it is the end of the world for them though. Dps isnt ideal and it is unfortunate atm but blizzard has slowly been fixing it. We have 2buffs now but i understand where the frustration of just get good lies. Still, i can disagree with people like derez and still be appreciative of the knowledge he’ll bring.
I also think people are confusing aedans points because of that; you hsvent said fury is good bit also have stated its not as bad as some are msking it sound.
I highly doubt one person can tyoe as much as more than n the one derez but yes defending his position or anyone elses also makes you agree with his points which probably also causes confusion.
I personally think its silly saying warriors are bad but not that bad (fury btw). They are either good or not good as i see it. End of the world depends on your playstyle and yes LFG (disagree all you like but lfr nd premades are designed around / predicated on them jist as mythics are) is part of the game so those players with gripes trying get into groups have a point that its outright impossible to get into one.
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/26
2/3 bottom dps specs in mythic raiding are not that bad come on they are fine just get good.
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No you come on. Fury is awful and arms is stipl a worse option vs ever class of every spec minus one spec for mage, hunter, rogue;all three specializions of each class are much stronger also being two of their specs of the same mage, hunter, rogue that also perform better…
Its not an outrageous claim its a fact fury is horrible and arms is underperforming to other options. It is the end of the game for you if you dint have a guild (thsbks agsin Paradox love you) and even findung the players to group up with you to be in / find one, minus a hell of a personality. Im personally fortunate as my huilds simply doing normals and theyd be out with mebas well but i make the groups and use my gm card ha
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That’s not a class issue. That’s players refusing to take part in the MMO part of an MMORPG. All of the end game content is designed for a group. Not committing to a team is what will hold you back more than a class ever will.
I do see what you are saying though, but some people just don’t want to listen to people. Even when they’re given the info discussed.
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No it is sir. Premades, lfg and lfr are in the game. Yes prople do play this way and blizxard also develops with the whole player base in mind. Play a different game if you disagree i guess. I dont know if you realize but hit i on yhe keyboard youll see. I am SO sorry for my typos but some of you know by now im that lazy ha!!
I mean to be clear, Derez and I had an extended argument about what exactly the definition of viable even was, because I felt if we were calling Fury viable then the word didn’t mean anything anymore.
I have argued extensively for saying Fury needs buffs. Theres multiple threads where people actually did try to say Fury was fine, mostly using the fact that they top dps in their own group as evidence. I argued quite extensively it was not ok, and showed quite a bit of evidence why their experiences weren’t indicative of the real picture.
But then people come along and they’re doing literally 2k dps as Fury, and they say blizzard’s failure to balance is why they can’t down content. A 50% damage buff would still have these people doing crap damage as Fury. People say Fury can’t do keys, yet there’s a bunch of us right here pugging keys all the time with it.
I’m hopeful it’ll be decent when this latest buff goes live. Maybe it won’t be enough, hard to tell.
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Sane dude! I appreciate you and derez very much i just understand where people have a distaste for somr discussions. I think fury will be viable soon. I domt think arms should be touched and remain as an okay option for raidijg primarily for pvp.
Took me a bit to translate that.
So let’s do a little comparison. Take Team A; been together for about 6 months. Know each other, and know their classes very well. Team B; ram-shackle bunch just thrown together using the LFG tool. Which do you think have a better chance at clearing hard content?
Both can clear the easy stuff, and maybe both can clear the mid-tier. It is a rare occasion that the PUG is gonna perform better than the well oiled team.
This is a different topic now though.
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Just because the top 1% of the game doesn’t use them doesn’t make them not viable.
The top mythic guilds only take the best performing specs regardless of how well or poorly the others are performing.
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These are points I’ve tried driving home for weeks. People always talk about “Omg there’s only 3 warriors in the top 100.” “Omg there’s only 2 warriors in WF.” “Omg the class is so bad look at the top 300 rep!”
Listen. Before anyone else tries to make that point, stop. Are you top 100? Top 300? Are you even pushing mythic progression?
If not, that data means jack all for you. The class underperforming is not preventing you from getting your AOTC or anything to that effect. You are. and complaining on the forums isn’t going to help you, you’re just gonna look foolish coming in here saying your class sucks and that’s the reason you’re only 2/10 heroic.
Go back to the drawing board, practice beating on a dummy, refine your rotation, stock up on flasks and pots and food or whatever, and then try again.
You’re not the top of the top. Therefore top of the top data does not apply to you. Stop linking it.
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Furthermore, the same goes for all the 1600 fury warriors that have been complaining about fury PvP since the start of BFA.
Fury sucks in PvP, yeah, but that’s not stopping you from getting your elite set or even your duelist enchant. Once you start trying to get gladiator as fury then we’ll talk.
Until then, hopefully fury sees some love soon.
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Fury is pretty awful. Jist because its been done once, or a few times, does not predicate as possible. There are aberrations that happen and data is used as a tool not Gospel. For instance, we pulled trash last night and the discord was all in lulz because i was #1 in dps - we laughed because its the first ive everveven been top 5 as fury- and the pun being people were not really payukg attention: laughung, joking, and such; it was an awful pull. Things happen that dont translate in data
Hate this, one spec can only be allowed to be good for one part the game mentality. Does it hurt anyone if a spec is successful in both areas?
8% is not going to be enough not by a long shot. It needs to be 16% flat out buffs across the board.
You might as well have a ramen noodle fight. Duel wielding ramen noodles.
Yes many people are bad and they’re the problem.
But you could put the work in, try to excel and then come up short because Blizzard fails at knob twiddling. That’s not a good feeling.
Some of us are going to play our preferred spec regardless. One of my guildies asked me how Prot was doing in M+. My response was:
“Fantastic. I get to zip around, yell at things and smash them in the face with my shield. Best Spec Ever!”
I don’t think that was the answer he was looking for.
It’s still nicer to perform better. I remember melting in Nighthold. Prot was definitely a better feeling class during Legion than it is now even if they’re broadly similar.
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No it diesnt but arms is just okay and beast in pvp. If youbwant to buff it for pve then we’re supposed to be indomitable in pvp?? Bfa was horrible in pvp because of the devs trying to cater for both
I’m not saying you’re wrong.
I’m just saying for most of the people complaining, if they would just put the work in, they’d do just fine in the content they’re trying to complete.
What I’m pointing out is that they don’t put the work in, and instead just blame their shortcomings on the class, citing top 100 logs as evidence, as if that holds any weight for their normal Denathrius kill.
It’s just asinine to me.
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