So one problem I see with warrior right now is the difference in melee range. Some mobs I have to be standing right in their model and not next to their circle or where it looks like I should be able to slap them. Meanwhile, Paladin is almost a ranged class at this point, DK is not far off, and rogue seem to have rubber arms. This may sound like a pointless complaint, but when you take the factor of ease of uptime it changes things. The vast majority of our big damage requires us to be in melee and right on top of mobs. So anytime we lose up time we lose a lot of DPS.
Tuning is also rather out of whack. There are some serious outliers that I’m surprised they haven’t looked at. Though that’s not really an issue with the class per say. If the upcoming soft cap reduction goes live, we’ll be that much further behind in M+. The other issue is our comparable group utility. Something we’ve struggled with for a long time.
Hopefully Blizz changes some of these, even if it’s mostly for a QoL fix. But yeah, Warrior DPS is holding on by a thread right now.
Wait… did you just find out paladins are better than us? That’s the beauty of a warrior. It’s an uphill battle only to be bested at everything by the pinks. I’m sorry you had to finally find out. I remember my first run in with what you speak. It was outside of gruuls lair I believe, could be wrong on the location but what I seen can’t be forgotten. There was a ret pally running around solo’ing the elites walking around just to pass time. I tried and i was clearly in the deep end. Flailing about, using all my cool downs.
What was a struggle for me was but simply a Tuesday for those light bound pansies.
Really? Do you use a Triple pull as a test of damage? LOL, unreal.
I did. Once you leave the baby keys and go to 10+ pulls are double to triple no exceptions. You are just breaking into 8’s, so you aren’t even playing the class at even half its potential and very likely pulling one pack at a time. You aren’t even at the point where balance even affects you.
Well…yeah. You new to gaming or something? META OR FEED
Most can’t play fire for crap and it’s not one of the specializations up there. Saying that you randomly beat so and so in a key means nothing.
Yeah you’re right dude! Warcraft logs has no idea what their doing… i mean when you select +10 keys and you go under statistics and you’re @ “95 percentile” you know not “half” the potential, where is fury exactly? let me guess those guys pull 1/2 packs max right?
Don’t worry, the latest round of aoe nerfs to fury tomorrow will definitely fix the issue. Wow token and service sales will spike since fdk is getting buffed (lul) and ret got an overall handslap of about -3%.
fury being beaten like an unwanted step child, arms forgotten in the corner, and prot warrior just hoping no one notices em. guess this is the warrior class fantasy
You are struggling to time 8’s. You aren’t being held back by warrior nerfs, that is a skill issue. Secondly, there are plenty of fury warriors in the top end brackets. My Blood dk is usually swamp *** tier every single expansion minus shadowlands season 4, and I still time keys and get into the top end brackets with a non meta class. Once you realize the meta is for the top players and not you, you will start seeing improvement, hey you might even get more 8’s timed 
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People of all skill levels are effected by poor balancing decisions at blizzard. If you don’t think that a player being invited to a +7 or a +4 isn’t effected by blizzard gutting their entire class then you obviously haven’t been playing this game very long. Even trash players at the low end are gonna prefer a class that by default does 20% more damage and brings a lust over a warrior in it’s current state. I’ve been doing the alt rotation and it was a million times harder getting into low end keys on my shadow priest as it was on my ret paladin.
Also there is no need to be rude and obnoxious to someone by attacking their personal progression level.
If anything the casuals for the most part who parrot the streamers that they idolise and spout their words as gospel are the main problem.
People need to get thicker skin and run their own keys at this bracket, but they will continue to cry ‘woe is me’.
Bullet dodged if you get filtered out of those groups.
There sometimes is when all people do is cry, and not bothering to find alternative solutions in other specs or builds available that do more than well enough with proper play. But the fact that it requires an ounce of thought just gets thrown out the window in favour of complaining on the forums when the problem exists between the keyboard and chair.
Pretty easy fix really. Fdk is somehow getting buffed so blizz clearly thinks frost is underperforming, so just go that and give them a season or three of not touching it, gg go frost
This is a hard reality that is part of this game. You don’t need to like that it happens, it just does.
Running your own key is easy, sure, but the reality is that sometime you get a key you either don’t need to run or don’t need IO or loot from and would rather pug into the key that you are targeting over the one Blizzard handed you. This is where a lot of people come from, to you all that matters is getting number up but everyone has their own reason for running keys.
Not really, optimizing your group around classes that perform better is just the way the game is played. I know it might be hard for you to understand but when you don’t know the people in your group personally then it becomes easier to just invite the classes that are overperforming over those that are underperforming. Even you do it without realizing it, when was the last time you ran a key that was 3 dps warriors just because you want to go against the meta? Probably never. Bringing specific classes is what everyone does regardless of what you want others to believe.
What have you been doing these past few weeks then? I have never seen someone whine and moan and cry as much as you do. You just do it about other players instead of class balance itself. I have never seen someone with as bad as an attitude as you on these forums. Your advice is to make people’s friends drag them through keys instead of trying to pug then you imply that everything is a skill issue while simultaneously dismissing the opinions of people like critcake despite him doing higher key levels than you have.
You want to sit as some position of authority on the subject matter of class balance because you did 11s but I’ve at the same time seen you dismiss critcake as being some guy who presses buttons good despite him doing 13s and 14s. You bully and berate people constantly and I don’t want you talking to me.
I’ve done plenty “zug zug” keys with mates, Prot/Arms/Fury and we trucked through with ease. Just haven’t been playing at the same times lately.
That’s not how I’ve ever built keys once the mandatory utility is taken, whatever looks like a good filler that queues up gets taken along.
So pointing people towards viable options is that now?.
11s are much higher than most people complaining will ever do, so getting actual advice out there to people on what works and how to do it is the right thing to do, instead of complaining “woe is me” the whole time. Do you feel slighted that his words aren’t taken as gospel by people who know better?
Ah yes, not coddling people and telling them what they need to hear is “bullying and berating”, and too bad 
Checking raiderio and you don’t have a single key this season with 3 dps warriors. No need to lie.
You aren’t pointing to viable options. Arms is one of the lowest represented specs in 10+ keys right now. Sure it fits some vague definition of the word viable that I’m sure you’ll try to lawyer your way out of but the simple fact is that I can right now find someone to let me straight up AFK through a 10 for the right amount of gold. If your definition of viable is something people can be away for their computer for then sure, colossus arms warrior is 100% viable. If your definition of viable is that you don’t feel like you’re getting dragged through keys by higher performing classes then no it isn’t. Arms lacks utility and damage in it’s current form that other classes have access to but 10s are easy enough right now that even someone playing the spec can manage to get through it and somehow fit your definition of ‘viable’
No, you just have a real rotten attitude towards other players that you perceive as being below you in stature while readily dismissing the opinions of people who are clearly above you. You are the very definition of the classic trope of “Everyone below me is garbage but everyone above me is a tryhard loser” It seems real easy for you to dismiss everyone else as crying bad players but when someone points to critcake, who is making the exact same criticisms of the class’s shortcomings, then you claim he is just a button pusher. Who are you to think your opinion is to be respected but critcake’s should be dismissed out of hand?
This is what I mean. Dismissiveness, sarcasm then emoji. You are spelling out that you are here to troll and nothing else. You just want to get a rise out of people.
Obviously you need to look harder, there are definitely multiple key completions done.
Look, You assume way too much and have zero clue as to the actual throughput capable when played right for Colossus if that’s your take.
The keys I do as Colossus Arms with both meta/non meta specs has it being on par with or better than others in overall damage. It’s not a “hard carry” in the slightest and definitely not your definition of ‘viable’.
Some people are and some are not, that is just the way it goes when people post unconstructive and misinformed ideas to no fault of their own. They’re not the ones to blame though, they’re just mislead by people they have a parasocial relationship with.
I’m all for more critical thinking of builds and how they can be utilised outside of the ‘meta’ and not just following because X said so due to the very fact that all resources ahead of you for this game are made by a human, a human who can make mistakes and overlook things.
A really good example was the misdirection due to misinformation for Shadow Priests in S1 SL, due to an oversight by their main theorycrafter the whole community was misled on what to run for their Covenant in PvE, the same applies for now too with the complexity of Hero Talents. There are many solid overalls done by Warriors as both Arms and Fury in keys, while yes they can use a buff (who doesn’t like buffs) they are by no means dead weight nor getting carried in M+ content or raids.
Warriors are a special case for the most part where optimisation is reserved almost entirely for Fury and not Arms. Plenty of times there have been builds set-up and ran for Arms that differed to what was suggested on guides. So this is going to happen further with Hero Talents allowing for more build diversity in gameplay as a whole, since people will flock to what’s advised as ‘best’ and not what is ‘best’.
By all means take it however you like, from this end it’s a genuine push to help people improve but if you want to take it as trolling, then by all means misinterpret the way you want to.
Who does this help?
Oh no, you caught me making a joke in one thread when there are plenty of others out there with genuine advice.
Lock me up officer.
Yeah, straight up insulting someone is just a joke. Got it.