Warrior Glaives TBC?

[Ironchain-herod]

@Bearhands-faerlina

You’re mixed up too.

Yeah, I fixed it. Both are easy to obtain (and required to make Dragonstrike, incidentally).

[Bearhands-faerlina]

If they’re BOE and/or available from vendors they’ll be relatively easy to get. If they’re BOP it’ll be more contentious.

[Dolchkrieger-atiesh]

@Fasciae-fairbanks

@Mobikon-atiesh

25 slots leaves a lot of room for Fury Warriors.

It really doesn’t, Fury is the weakest among Warrior specs until Warglaives, and Rogues are better for Warglaives regardless.

You’ll be Prot or a token Arms Warrior, or you’ll be like you are now, unprogressed and Warglaives won’t even be an option.

Or raids won’t do that and they’ll bring Fury Warrior along because they don’t care about what classes do more or less dps because they just want to have fun.

[Mobikon-atiesh]

@Mikeoksmall-dawnbringer

you forgot the part where you hop servers because of the pure salt that would be on your server

Just had a Druid on my server given an Atiesh. No salt was spared because nobody cares.

[Ironchain-herod]

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

Or raids won’t do that and they’ll bring Fury Warrior along because they don’t care about what classes do more or less dps because they just want to have fun

This is extremely rare. Even the most casual guilds care to some degree how good a spec is, and even if they don’t, players do, so Fury Warriors will be rare in the first place.

If you want evidence of that, look at the class/spec balance in Classic. There’s 40 raid slots, with plenty more leeway for an individual playing a subpar spec, yet the overwhelmingly vast majority of players are playing the better specs, and even casual guilds only bring a Balance Druid, and only because they have nothing else and/or like the guy.

Cut 15 raid slots, add a bunch of extremely beneficial raid buffs/debuffs? Fury will struggle to find a spot, even in casual guilds. Even if they choose to bring one, you’re one, so just like someone wanting to play Balance in Classic, they’ll struggle to find a home.

[Dolchkrieger-atiesh]

@Ironchain-herod

This is extremely rare.

No, it’s currently non-existent because TBC Classic hasn’t even been released yet (let alone been announced.) The rest of your post is irrelevant now.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

they don’t care about what classes do more or less dps

I mean, even the casual raids on present-day Classic still only have a single Retribution or Balance spec, not multiple. People still care about meta balancing even if they’re very lax about it.

[Dolchkrieger-atiesh]

@Fasciae-fairbanks

People still care about meta balancing even if they’re very lax about it.

No they don’t. You only think that’s what they’re doing because it confirms your biases.

[Delmok-mankrik]

I saw “3 Mages” and could not stop laughing. Mages are ok for a hot second in T5, but complete trash in higher tiers. You need one to tank Illidari Council. That’s it. An alt mage can cast Arcane Brilliance on the raid as it heads inside.

[Fasciae-fairbanks]

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

You only think that’s what they’re doing because it confirms your biases.

LOL okay, good luck with that theory.

[Ironchain-herod]

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

No, it’s currently non-existent because TBC Classic hasn’t even been released yet

What a stupid argument.

You’re arguing what people will do, and when I provide a logical explanation as to why that is false you counter with “TBC isn’t out yet”?

[Dolchkrieger-atiesh]

Is this another one of your responses where you ask and answer your own question?

[Ironchain-herod]

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

Is this another one of your responses where you ask and answer your own question

Oh, I see. You’re just trolling.

Unless you’d actually like to provide a real counterargument?

[Dolchkrieger-atiesh]

@Ironchain-herod

Unless you’d actually like to provide a real counter-argument?

You mean respond and then you respond with a question and then answer it in the same post? Is that how you argue?

[Ironchain-herod]

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

You mean respond and then you respond with a question and then answer it in the same post?

No, I’m asking for you to actually provide an argument as to why you believe what I said is incorrect. My argument is one that notes behavioral tendencies that influence the raid comps you see in-game, and is not specific to any given expansion, e.g. TBC.

Or, put simply, my argument is not specific to TBC.

Allow me to rephrase my argument, as well: it doesn’t matter if you’re a casual or hardcore guild; your players will largely be comprised of people who follow the meta, making the non-meta picks rare to begin with. Even guilds that are not interested in min/maxing or tryharding will still care about how good a spec is.

For those reasons, there will be far fewer slots available for Fury Warriors, making it far less likely you’ll be brought as a Fury Warrior. So less likely, in fact, that the words “extremely rare” would be accurate.

[Dolchkrieger-atiesh]

@Ironchain-herod

it doesn’t matter if you’re a casual or hardcore guild; your players will largely be comprised of people who follow the meta, making the non-meta picks rare to begin with. Even guilds that are not interested in min/maxing or tryharding will still care about how good a spec is.

That’s not an “argument.” That’s a statement. If your responses constitute pure statements, I don’t need to provide an argument. All I have to do is say that I disagree.

You’re not some expert on behavior tendencies of a wide swath of people who play this game. You’re just some guy. In the words of Q to Picard, “You’re not that important.”

An argument actually has reasons or sets of reasons used to persuade someone else that an action or idea is right or wrong. You’ve given no argument. You’ve simply made a statement.

[Trottingwolf-earthfury]

Planar Edge is better for orc shammy until t6, but not by much like the tiniest. Doesn’t look as cool tho.

[Cataphract-sulfuras]

I agree, my shaman for TBC will be troll with playing around with stacking sources of haste for fun.

I plan on being a lot more “casual” in TBC. I quit originally in TBC and I plan on just doing w/e with guildies and friends rather than tryhard.

[Ironchain-herod]

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

That’s not an “argument.” That’s a statement. If your responses constitute pure statements, I don’t need to provide an argument. All I have to do is say that I disagree.

That’s some hella fine sophistry.

I’m not sure if you know the meaning of the words you’re using.

Argument - a reason given for or against a matter under discussion; a form of rhetorical expression intended to convince or persuade

What I gave you is, by definition, an argument. Statements and arguments are not mutually exclusive terms.

@Dolchkrieger-atiesh

An argument actually has reasons or sets of reasons used to persuade someone else that an action or idea is right or wrong. You’ve given no argument. You’ve simply made a statement.

I gave you the reasons. You simply aren’t reading them, apparently.

[Dolchkrieger-atiesh]

@Ironchain-herod

That’s some hella fine sophistry.

Thanks!