Here's my issue. I've been playing Fury for years and like to think that at this point in the game I at least have a good understanding of my basic rotation, as well talents, CD's, and spells. Normally I can output highest DPS in 95% of my M+ groups (AOE based obviously), and even a lot of Single Target Boss fights. However Raiding is another story. I'm constantly sweating and pushing to the max just to try and keep up with other Warriors using Arms who are at least 10ilvls below me! And I mean on Single Target fights. These guys are killing me. Constantly Number one on the charts (By far).
So is there even a point to Fury anymore when the better choice is Arms?
I have to admit, recently I gave it a try and just felt Rage starved the whole time, and sat waiting on Procs. Nice openers but I just don't get it.
So my 2 questions are.
1) Proper Arms Rotation so I actually have Rage to use?
2) Arms sucks and I'd rather stick with Fury, so what's a die hard, set in stone Rotation that actually works?
A quick glance at warcraftlogs suggests your play is far from optimal. You're being outperformed because you're being outperformed, not because your spec is holding you back.
Because you prefer fury. The specs are close enough that you are not gimping yourself by playing what you want.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pve-dps-guide
09/19/2018 11:11 AMPosted by RocshowSo is there even a point to Fury anymore when the better choice is Arms?
Because you prefer fury. The specs are close enough that you are not gimping yourself by playing what you want.
09/19/2018 11:11 AMPosted by Rocshow1) Proper Arms Rotation so I actually have Rage to use?
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
09/19/2018 11:11 AMPosted by Rocshow2) Arms sucks and I'd rather stick with Fury, so what's a die hard, set in stone Rotation that actually works?
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fury-warrior-pve-dps-guide
Ok I could be totally out to lunch then. What do you mean by "Optimal"? Looking to fix this.
Realistically if you're competing heavily in dungeons and not in raid fights it's because dungeon boss fights are shorter than raid fights. Your mistakes or shortcomings can't be made as readily apparent.
The best way to improve your DPS is to first and foremost make sure you know what the priority system is supposed to be. I'm a little light on good warrior resources, someone else can probably link because I dont know if icy veins is up to snuff.
After you know you have a credible source for your priority system I cannot stress enough how crucial a UI is to make sure you know what to do based on the situation. It's not enough to play with the default UI if you care about performance. Theres a thousand ways to skin this cat, but putting the important information in the middle area of your screen is the favorite style. This is stuff like your rage bar and important abilities so you can track CDs, or monitor buffs. Weakauras is an important addon pretty much everyone uses to do this (and fairly intuitive for basic stuff).
The best way to improve your DPS is to first and foremost make sure you know what the priority system is supposed to be. I'm a little light on good warrior resources, someone else can probably link because I dont know if icy veins is up to snuff.
After you know you have a credible source for your priority system I cannot stress enough how crucial a UI is to make sure you know what to do based on the situation. It's not enough to play with the default UI if you care about performance. Theres a thousand ways to skin this cat, but putting the important information in the middle area of your screen is the favorite style. This is stuff like your rage bar and important abilities so you can track CDs, or monitor buffs. Weakauras is an important addon pretty much everyone uses to do this (and fairly intuitive for basic stuff).
I prefer dragon roar over bs in most cases for single target. Prioritizing that when enrage is up to get the most out of our damage window, bs cuts into that window albeit not that much but definately feels like it smooths out the rotation a bit. I havent had too many instances where i am getting completely out done by arms but depending on fight and mechanics its hit or miss. I do think slight tuning may help close that gap but i dont think we necessarily need that. Hectic fights like zul, or add heavy fights we tend to do much better with the constant cleave like for the adds with mythrax and ghuun. Ill have to take a look at this when i get home
09/19/2018 11:11 AMPosted by RocshowHere's my issue. I've been playing Fury for years and like to think that at this point in the game I at least have a good understanding of my basic rotation, as well talents, CD's, and spells.
K, but this fury has only existed for about two months. So unless you're a time traveler?
09/19/2018 11:11 AMPosted by RocshowI'm constantly sweating and pushing to the max just to try and keep up with other Warriors using Arms who are at least 10ilvls below me! And I mean on Single Target fights. These guys are killing me. Constantly Number one on the charts (By far).
Link me a log and I'll go over it.
09/19/2018 11:11 AMPosted by RocshowSo is there even a point to Fury anymore when the better choice is Arms?
You like it? Not bad. Arms being great doesn't mean fury is terrible
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Here's my issue. I've been playing Fury for years and like to think that at this point in the game I at least have a good understanding of my basic rotation, as well talents, CD's, and spells. Normally I can output highest DPS in 95% of my M+ groups (AOE based obviously), and even a lot of Single Target Boss fights. However Raiding is another story. I'm constantly sweating and pushing to the max just to try and keep up with other Warriors using Arms who are at least 10ilvls below me! And I mean on Single Target fights. These guys are killing me. Constantly Number one on the charts (By far).
So is there even a point to Fury anymore when the better choice is Arms?
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To both of these, Icyveins or Wowhead. Both are written by Archimtiros, and he keeps everything up to date and 100%
09/19/2018 01:14 PMPosted by MarthulI'm a little light on good warrior resources, someone else can probably link because I dont know if icy veins is up to snuff.
Icyveins and Wowhead guides by Archi. I can appreciate being wary of Icyveins, they have a history, but it depends on the spec. Archi keeps arms and fury guides 100% up to date, you can trust them.
09/19/2018 02:34 PMPosted by TiptoesmashPrioritizing that when enrage is up to get the most out of our damage window
You don't prioritize DR. It's actually very low on the prio.
09/19/2018 02:34 PMPosted by TiptoesmashHectic fights like zul, or add heavy fights we tend to do much better with the constant cleave like for the adds with mythrax and ghuun. Ill have to take a look at this when i get home
Fury's best fights are Fetid, MOTHER, and Mythrax. In comparison to arms.
I don't want to create a new thread when there's already one about Warrior DPS help so hopefully you don't mind me joining in Rocshow.
I uploaded data to warcraft logs for the first time tonight (Used to do it in Legion until a patch suddenly made the logging process lag me into oblivion) and was fairly disappointed by the results. I know I'm not the best warrior around nor do I aspire to be, but I was hoping for a 70-75 parse and fell well below that mark. I already know about icy veins, I've read up the guide and practiced my DPSing as much as I could, what else could I do to improve my damage output?
Here's my profile:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/34019210#difficulty=3&spec=Arms
And here's the log I uploaded of tonight's raid:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fVTpQ9kB1yajHLGn
Mother output is horrendous since I was part of group 2 and doing call-outs for the raid. Not sure what happened on Zul.
Any and all input would be very much appreciated <3
I uploaded data to warcraft logs for the first time tonight (Used to do it in Legion until a patch suddenly made the logging process lag me into oblivion) and was fairly disappointed by the results. I know I'm not the best warrior around nor do I aspire to be, but I was hoping for a 70-75 parse and fell well below that mark. I already know about icy veins, I've read up the guide and practiced my DPSing as much as I could, what else could I do to improve my damage output?
Here's my profile:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/34019210#difficulty=3&spec=Arms
And here's the log I uploaded of tonight's raid:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fVTpQ9kB1yajHLGn
Mother output is horrendous since I was part of group 2 and doing call-outs for the raid. Not sure what happened on Zul.
Any and all input would be very much appreciated <3
Idk I’m 360 ilvl and I can hardly seem to break 12 dps outside of mother and fetid I have been parsing at above 90% and I feel like my dps should just be a lot higher than what it is fury seems a lot weaker than arms in general many high tier players seem to agree if both specs are played at their best arms will come out ahead on most fights fury is really dog!@#$ with %^-* gear and kinda just okay with great gear
09/20/2018 12:09 AMPosted by AlûcárdIdk I’m 360 ilvl and I can hardly seem to break 12 dps outside of mother and fetid I have been parsing at above 90% and I feel like my dps should just be a lot higher than what it is fury seems a lot weaker than arms in general many high tier players seem to agree if both specs are played at their best arms will come out ahead on most fights fury is really dog!@#$ with %^-* gear and kinda just okay with great gear
Fury is not "dog!@#$" with bad gear and okay with great gear. It's just consistently, good. Certainly not great, but good.
Not to belittle your parses, but normal logs really, really are not the best place to be looking. Especially for an underplayed spec
The best guys (Coburn, Talic, Lobos, etc) don't clear normal. Some of them cleared it the first week, but I know most of the people I raid with never even bothered with it. Why clear normal, when you can just do m+, is their logic.
Just an fyi. Heroic will give a slightly better picture, because even mythic bois still blast it for the first few months.
You are the same guy that just went on able some kids white parses and then on this post you say that they aren’t meaningful nice double standard you got going there idk why you post on this thread I do heroic I was just in a group where every !@#$ing rogue mage and paladin just %^-* on me in dps w/ the same amount of gear some a ret pally with a 354 topped the charts and m+ couldn’t be more boring it’s almost a meme there’s hardly anything different except health bars and damage that’s only fun for so long09/20/2018 12:29 AMPosted by Drezwazluz09/20/2018 12:09 AMPosted by AlûcárdIdk I’m 360 ilvl and I can hardly seem to break 12 dps outside of mother and fetid I have been parsing at above 90% and I feel like my dps should just be a lot higher than what it is fury seems a lot weaker than arms in general many high tier players seem to agree if both specs are played at their best arms will come out ahead on most fights fury is really dog!@#$ with %^-* gear and kinda just okay with great gear
Fury is not "dog!@#$" with bad gear and okay with great gear. It's just consistently, good. Certainly not great, but good.
Not to belittle your parses, but normal logs really, really are not the best place to be looking. Especially for an underplayed spec
The best guys (Coburn, Talic, Lobos, etc) don't clear normal. Some of them cleared it the first week, but I know most of the people I raid with never even bothered with it. Why clear normal, when you can just do m+, is their logic.
Just an fyi. Heroic will give a slightly better picture, because even mythic bois still blast it for the first few months.
09/20/2018 12:38 AMPosted by AlûcárdYou are the same guy that just went on able some kids white parses and then on this post you say that they aren’t meaningful nice double standard you got going there
The guy was mocking me, saying that I grey parsed in normal. He then removed that portion of the comment, because he doesn't want a forum vacation. I poked fun at him for this, saying I "grey parse lfr, and green parse normal". I was a very, very obvious joke.
09/20/2018 12:38 AMPosted by Alûcárdidk why you post on this thread I do heroic I was just in a group where every !@#$ing rogue mage and paladin just %^-* on me in dps w/ the same amount of gear some a ret pally with a 354 topped the charts
K. I assume the logs just haven't been posted then. You only have 3 kills for hTaloc, 2 for hMother, and 1 for hFetid. The only log is for the Fetid kill. It was 80%.
09/20/2018 12:38 AMPosted by Alûcárdm+ couldn’t be more boring it’s almost a meme there’s hardly anything different except health bars and damage that’s only fun for so long
I'm sorry you feel this way. It's actually very challenging at higher levels, and takes some strategy and skill from the entire group to do. If you would like more challenge or depth from it, go higher.
Normally on ST I do prioritize DR on enrage. But I carry a lot of tomes with me and take BS on fights with 4 or more stacked adds. Last night on Heroic Uldir I did see a fair amount of improvement throughout. But even so remained about 11k on average per boss fight, while an Arms buddy with the same Ilvl is steadily holding 14-16k. I'm thinking landing some better trinkets with some better procs may just bump me a bit closer.
09/20/2018 12:38 AMPosted by AlûcárdYou are the same guy that just went on able some kids white parses and then on this post you say that they aren’t meaningful nice double standard you got going there
The guy was mocking me, saying that I grey parsed in normal. He then removed that portion of the comment, because he doesn't want a forum vacation. I poked fun at him for this, saying I "grey parse lfr, and green parse normal". I was a very, very obvious joke.
I lol'd.
People afraid of forum vacations in 2018 LUL. I've been in forum jail more often than not over the past year because people have a problem with how I talk. I'm pretty blunt, I'll call a spade a spade. So if someone is stupid or bad, I'll tell them so.
It also appears people have an issue with profanity too, even though there's profanity IN the game.
Oh well. Not here to bash the terms. Just makes me chuckle when someone is actually concerned with getting suspended. (From forums, no less)
Are you insane?? I think you need to re check your facts. I have no clue what you're talking about, nor have I ever mocked anyone on here! Go troll someplace else.
Use rend
09/20/2018 08:47 AMPosted by RocshowAre you insane?? I think you need to re check your facts. I have no clue what you're talking about, nor have I ever mocked anyone on here! Go troll someplace else.
Was a different thread entirely he was talking about. No need to worry man, not going after you.
09/20/2018 08:10 AMPosted by RocshowNormally on ST I do prioritize DR on enrage. But I carry a lot of tomes with me and take BS on fights with 4 or more stacked adds. Last night on Heroic Uldir I did see a fair amount of improvement throughout. But even so remained about 11k on average per boss fight, while an Arms buddy with the same Ilvl is steadily holding 14-16k. I'm thinking landing some better trinkets with some better procs may just bump me a bit closer.
Zek'voz is the only fight where you would take Bladestorm. The rest are all Dragon Roar.
Roar and Bladestorm are both low on the priority list, which you can find in the guides written and maintained by Archi.
Again, if you link me a log (Or do it in Skyhold, they even have a channel for it) then it can be reviewed and be given criticism.
I think it's just the way you're playing tbh. Ideally you should be getting much more than 45 parses on heroic frtid devourer or zek'voz. Make sure your enrage is up as much as possible. Above 90 parses is an achievable target if you know what you're doing
09/19/2018 01:14 PMPosted by MarthulThe best way to improve your DPS is to first and foremost make sure you know what the priority system is supposed to be. I'm a little light on good warrior resources, someone else can probably link because I dont know if icy veins is up to snuff.
join m in discord when u r on again im off the next 2 days i can help you i also lead many pug raids and help gear people ...some know me here from legion helping others get aotc....https://discord.gg/QTqDkt3
... hate to break it to you the skyehold discord helps no one they cant give u a answer they will just tell players to check the pins and send u to wowhead to do a bunch of reading if you need real help just come to discord i linked up top09/20/2018 09:00 AMPosted by Drezwazluz09/20/2018 08:47 AMPosted by RocshowAre you insane?? I think you need to re check your facts. I have no clue what you're talking about, nor have I ever mocked anyone on here! Go troll someplace else.
Was a different thread entirely he was talking about. No need to worry man, not going after you.09/20/2018 08:10 AMPosted by RocshowNormally on ST I do prioritize DR on enrage. But I carry a lot of tomes with me and take BS on fights with 4 or more stacked adds. Last night on Heroic Uldir I did see a fair amount of improvement throughout. But even so remained about 11k on average per boss fight, while an Arms buddy with the same Ilvl is steadily holding 14-16k. I'm thinking landing some better trinkets with some better procs may just bump me a bit closer.
Zek'voz is the only fight where you would take Bladestorm. The rest are all Dragon Roar.
Roar and Bladestorm are both low on the priority list, which you can find in the guides written and maintained by Archi.
Again, if you link me a log (Or do it in Skyhold, they even have a channel for it) then it can be reviewed and be given criticism.
11/10/2018 02:35 AMPosted by Rsmudvayne... hate to break it to you the skyehold discord helps no one they cant give u a answer they will just tell players to check the pins and send u to wowhead to do a bunch of reading if you need real help just come to discord i linked up top
If they are telling you to check the pins and read the guide, you're asking a basic questions that is answered by reading the guide.
And why are you offering your help, when you yourself are not only bad, but in need of help yourself? You should visit the discord.