so, fury is now as of 4/3/22 #15 on DPS. its also the #3rd worse DPS class in the game, only being better than ret & ww in raid. thanks blizzard for the nerf, you really did it. might as well re-roll FoTM.
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also, only reason its considered broken has nothing to do with tier, thats dookie. i know you guys love when you hit >reck+spear macroed for a blade storm proc into another bladestorm and thats all your dmg. literally 40% of your dmg and then whirlwind being 15%, fun very good. while consistently having 5 second windows of pressing NOTHING but whirlwind because you dont have anything else to press, not because of bone grinder. might as well be afk because 55% of your dmg profile is something you could do with your monitor being off.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/29#dataset=99&difficulty=4
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Warriors are blasting right now, I never do keys without one. Arms and Fury are both blasting in raids as well, and yall have ral cry, warrior is fine lol
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I can see why you may think warrior isn’t doing so well just based off of your rotation break down, I believe the problem lies within your own gameplay since that was rather inaccurate. I recommend watching some videos and check out some logs from top warriors and see what you can learn from them. Good luck in expanding your knowledge of the class! 
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Being sightly below 50th percentile with the current deltas between specs isn’t even close to bad. It’d be cool to be higher, or top once in a while, but this is just dramatic af.
We bring great raid utility, and have been top 7 or 8 in mythic plus. With the exception of some tuning that’s happening, once everyone is at 4 piece it’ll be very possible to be a top performer with fury just with good gameplay.
If you have such an issue with the playstyle, I’m unsure why you’re not playing something else.
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im parsing 90s and ive parsed 90s on warrior for the majority of expansions ive played warrior. and i do compare my dmg to others parses and i see the same thing for the cases i compare each one too. keep in mind that comparing parses is never 100% accurate because of the kill time, cd usage, pulls and key level/group comp.
in raid its middle of the pac overall, still is the #3rd worse performing class while both specs under it are being buffed so it might go from #3 to #1.
but as a general rule of thumb furys dmg in M+ will mostly be from just bladestorm/whirlwind/spear bladestorm and whirlwind due to the nature of them being un-capped. im disappointed in how poorly rampage performs with raging/crushing doing more dps than rampage by a mile, when its supposed to be your filler. and tier wont help it in M+, because it contradicts how its played in M+ with anger management. blizzard nerfed it too early because of tier, and now you can see the consequences of the nerf with them going from best #1 class performing to #3 worse ATM. while in higher keys furys dmg drops off slightly, because its tier doesn’t synergize because the need of reckless abandon.
while i do agree with the tier being nerfed, the tier shouldn’t of been built around a talent. and with some other classes being dependent on talents for their tier is just bad game design. i just wish they would properly balance classes so you don’t go “wtf? this is boring.” because you press a button and afk in blade storm. or spam whirlwind for 5 seconds because of the downtime. fury has been bad with the down times for years now and it just needs a proper re-work.
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If you have such an issue with the playstyle, I’m unsure why you’re not playing something else.
high APM. also id play prot warrior but that spec got slaughtered at the end of BFA.
it could be worse though we could be 9.0 warrior
Using the performance of arms dragging the class down to justify claims that fury dps is bad is a red herring at best.
You can still use arms to great effect outside of bleeding edge and honestly even there it saw huge play in RWF because of the value of the spec in prog and execute heavy encounters.
im not using arms to compare anything as i dont play that spec anymore. i tried to but i dont like the low APM. and i do understand its niches.
for the whole #3 worse comparison i’m just going based off of a classes #1 preforming spec and pretty much ignoring the rest of their specs. because people tend to say “if you don’t like this spec just play your other spec” but people can still have fun playing a spec they have problems with, doesn’t mean i hate warrior. i just dislike in how it is right now, ill still play it though.
He never claimed that arms is dragging the class down. He stated that we’re the third worst performing class which isn’t untrue. The only two classes (not specs) performing worse than us are Paladins and Monks and both of those class’s top performing specs are receiving substantial buffs come Tuesday. The reason to compare classes as opposed to specs how each class ranks is because any arcane mage, any BM hunter and any Demo lock can swap specs to a better performing spec any time we want. Fury doesn’t have that luxury.
Warriors are suffering right now because we don’t have a single target spec or build across all of covenants and every time we got close to one Blizzard came around and bashed it into the ground, whether it was 9.1 sinful surge or 9.2 glory/tier, Blizzard is seemingly not okay with warriors having a spec that performs well in ST scenarios. Even the charts that OP posted aren’t showing the whole picture because we’re being dragged up on those meters by fights that don’t even begin to matter like vigilant guardian.
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I mean saying we’re the third worst performing class and that arms isn’t dragging that statistic down is kind of silly.
I’m not disagreeing with the comment so much as saying on its own fury is doing alright.
I’m 100% on board with the argument about single target, venth and Necro easily could be adjusted to make that situation suck less.
yeah, from playing warrior i’ve started to notice its only really good at AoE upfront DMG near the 5 target range for maximum effectiveness, with spear + blade storm at least. can still slightly compete in mass AoE with bladestorm being uncapped and the 25% exacta crit dmg modifier. but thats not very exciting gameplay.
You obviously didn’t click the charts he linked because arms and fury are separated on the chart into two different categories.
And you obviously are not versed in very basic statistics if you think making a sweeping claim on the overall performance of a class based on the 99th percentile of aggregated bosses in heroic logs is in any way legitimate.
Even if you want to be stupid and go with it, the delta between fury’s average dps at that percentile and the seventh best spec is less than 1,000 dps which is between 5-6% of the overall.
You can make a lot of dramatic claims if you want to skew the numbers to your arguments favor and not actually interpret the data intelligently.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t like at least an aura buff or better yet, some tuning to the “single target” covenant options, but this doomsday drama posting is ridiculous.
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my problem is blizzard got trigger happy and nerfed the tier set. necro, sure but why the tier? they said it was because it synergized too well with necro so what? now everyone that doesn’t play necro is just getting shafted? the nerf was never thought out fully, it was a panic nerf because of the WFR.
otherwise they would of nerfed it in the PTR they have the data don’t they.
overall the nerf to tier+necro was a 1k dps loss for necro
also to add another wound to reality of the warrior dream Death
I agree generally with what you are saying. But please revisit your AOE priorities. Our best AOE ability is Whirlwind and BS is just a means to buff that ability.
Arms warrior in mythic simply does not bring enough damage once packs of mobs die outside your burst window, and the mythic plus build without Rend and Wind Fury will likely result in more than 10 percent single target DPS loss.
While Fury is fine in mythic plus, we have to realize that the double leggo warrior is pretty much the peak of warrior performance in m+ because our tier set does almost nothing to boost our AOE. Don’t get me wrong, pumping 20k+ in a +15 definitely feels nice, and Fury currently does a substantial amount of dungeon boss damage, we are not close to the top tier in high keys. The reasoning is kinda lengthy, but I won’t complain much about Fury in M+.
Despite its versatilities, Arms’ damage is just lacking AND it requires a windfury buff just to do less ST damage when compared to almost any other melee class.
Fury too is on the weaker side. The Venthyr Fury on simc is pretty much a trap build; heck, even the necro build is too unstable as it has a huge variance in Patchwerk- style fight, not to mention a raid environment. Out other two options being Kyrian and NF both require a fixed position to maximize our damage, and almost every spec below us have a choice to make to be on the top half of the simulation while we don’t, and ret/ww are both receving substantial buffs.
I do realize that in SoF, many fights involve a lot of cleaves. But unless you are playing Arms which the damage is just not there, fury need to commit talent and conduit builds specific to one job- and even that we are NOT on top of cleave nor ST.
Saying I am peddling doomsday drama is extremely hyperbolic and seems like you just don’t want anything addressed.
Want the performance to change? Try other percentiles within 95th to the 80th which I believe is still acceptable levels to measure the performance and if anything it only gets worse. Also what weird qualifier are you using of being 5% worse than the 7th best class?
Yeah we’re not as bad as we were in Nathria but we’re hurting a lot and just casually dismissing even the tamest of criticisms as doomsday drama tells me that you are only here for the drama and nothing else.
I’ve been playing the class since launch dude, I get the frustration with classes being king for an entire expansion but we get nerfed before we have a chance to play something that finally looks good… Trust me. I’m not here saying we don’t deserve a little love I’m here saying we aren’t as in the dumpster as a post like this makes it look.
It does not get worse when you lower the performance threshold, though. Fury hovers around the middle of the pack in those parses.
The 5-6% is just the total contribution of the damage delta between those two positions, it’s not a weird qualifier to point out that many classes are pretty close together in overall performance. Losing a race by 5 tenths of a second is a lot different than losing it by a few minutes.
Help me out, where did I say warriors are trash? I said when it comes to performance metrics only 2 classes are doing worse than us, 2 classes that are receiving buffs come reset today.
It’s insanely frustrating seeing them blatantly ignore balancing in Castle but being able to find their ability to put out hotfixes the moment warriors are doing well. The main warrior simcrafter even came out in the topic announcing the tier changes saying that the nerfs were unwarranted. Yet here we are one of the least performing overall classes in the raid watching even the few below us receive buffs.
Obviously again I got to repeat because it always falls on deaf ears and probably will again. We aren’t completely terrible, we were considerably worse off in Castle, but it still isn’t acceptable that the nerfs happened in the first place. It’s extra frustrating that they completely killed necrowarrior because I waited to grind out 80 renown until the very last moment and they still came in and destroyed the build. We were told multiple times this expansion that hotfixes couldn’t happen because it would negate the hard work put into renown. These nerfs could have happened on PTR and it would of avoided a lot of frustration, instead they wait a week into the tier and nerf it so hard that it became a completely non-viable build forcing players back into NF and Kyrian.
It’s not a simple of matter of us being at the low end of the middle of the pack, it’s all of the lies they told us throughout this expansion to cover for poor balancing only to bend over backwards when their favorites aren’t on top.