Warlocks are just better mages

[Alliana-frostmane (Alliana)]

Lol, you have no idea what you are talking about op. Nice troll.

[Alliana-frostmane (Alliana)]

Mages are warlocks who decided not to suck.

[Squirtlejuic-tichondrius]

You upset that warlock has too high a skill ceiling for you to play ? It’s ok.

Lock is op. Whether you personally like them or not, they are probably single strongest class in game.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

@Squirtlejuic-tichondrius

Wake up. Warlock scale better, can heal the whole raid with big stones, summon players, provide buff with pet and curses. Can cc with succy, and fear. 1 shot players in pvp with soul fire. Breathe underwater unlimited. Free mount. Highest dps by end of classic. Literal God’s in pvp.

Mages are cool to, I mean they can make portals.

And warlocks get telefragged by warriors.

While Mages play with warriors like a 40 year old man can John Cena a 5 year old who’s gotten a little lippy.

Essentially they’re like mages but not even close baby.

[Malosi-stormrage]

The game is rock, paper, scissors in PvP. That’s just one aspect of the game.

I’m just saying that when I look at the big picture, and I consider the game as a whole, there is no doubt in my mind that Mage is the best class in vanila WoW.

That’s just one guy’s opinion though.

[Alliana-frostmane (Alliana)]

I can smash every warlock on melee. Mages though impossible.

Think locks are great, go play one lol

[Xcentrick-area-52]

@Malosi-stormrage

The game is rock, paper, scissors in PvP.

wrong. its rock paper scissors mushroom.

[Squirtlejuic-tichondrius]

Ok. Every class has its Achilles but a good lock usually beats melee. Especially with succu

[Ponchy-zangarmarsh]

Maybe, but its clear that warriors are better mages too.

[Åpocalypse-illidan (Åpocalypse)]

@Squirtlejuic-tichondrius

Highest dps by end of classic.

We… aren’t even close to being the top overall dps.

@Squirtlejuic-tichondrius

Warlock scale better

Elemental shamans outscale warlocks

@Squirtlejuic-tichondrius

1 shot players in pvp with soul fire

And shadow bolt… and can global players with combinations of soul fire+ immo conflag, Bolt+nightfall bolt, Bolt + burn, and Bolt+immo/conflag (all 3 will hit at the same instant)

@Lagspike-duskwood

I can’t hear you over the sound of my rolling ignites and splish splash of free water

What the hell is water?.. Must be something the peasant casters carry.

@Liljohnnie-stormrage

On the other hand, I wish there was a spec in line with what the fel-corrupted blood mages from TBC were. Destruction isn’t that close in terms of their spells.

Blasphemy… TBC ruined warlocks and their grand and near perfect design that happened in vanilla…

@Pago-moon-guard

Damage is what it about in the end and mages will usually out burst the Lock in pve

Out DPS warlock, absolutely mages will… but NOTHING out BURSTS a warlock on a single target (Ele can match or exceed lock burst when accounting for a chain lightning triple crit on 3 separate targets)… Nightfall Conflag lock’s Soul Fire +Nightfall shadow bolt + Immo/Conflag all hitting in the same global is only rivaled by SM/Ruin’s Sbolt+Nightfall Sbolt + Shadowurn all landing in the same global

Each of those combos can clear 10k damage WITHOUT beserker.

@Alliana-frostmane

I can smash every warlock on melee. Mages though impossible.

Think locks are great, go play one lol

Fight non terrible warlocks…

@Williams-akama

And warlocks get telefragged by warriors.

If the warrior is ever allowed to get the charge off, the warlock already *pooped the bed in that fight. That said, even then, the warlock should win in a 1v1 scenario… There’s really no situation the warlock should ever been in an attackable position to the opponent’s warriors without either the lock’s team, or the lock himself screwing up badly… and at range, that warrior is always a global away from being deleted.

[Alliana-frostmane (Alliana)]

@Åpocalypse-illidan

Fight non terrible warlocks

Already smashed t3 locks and r14 locks. Wasn’t that hard.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

I agree with you on that, but I was considering the average player… The average player is not going to be paying close enough attention to put the warrior into combat. (unfortunately)

Putting the warrior into combat is how I was able to survive them on my priest alt in vanilla.

[Dirè-stormrage]

If Mages are superior then why do they run away in fear?

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

@Åpocalypse-illidan

@Liljohnnie-stormrage

On the other hand, I wish there was a spec in line with what the fel-corrupted blood mages from TBC were. Destruction isn’t that close in terms of their spells.

Blasphemy… TBC ruined warlocks and their grand and near perfect design that happened in vanilla…

What makes you say that?

[Åpocalypse-illidan (Åpocalypse)]

@Mogar-stormrage

What makes you say that?

I played and enjoyed 5 different lock builds in vanilla… There wasn’t a single TBC era lock build I enjoyed.

[Kreivos-area-52]

Warlocks sell their souls for power. No thanks!

[Kreivos-area-52]

@Dirè-stormrage

If Mages are superior then why do they run away in fear?

It’s called a tactical retreat!

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

@Kreivos-area-52

Warlocks sell their souls for power. No thanks!

Actually, they rip the souls out of others for power.

[Kreivos-area-52]

When you delve that deep into evil, the loss of your soul is just inevitable.

Arcane magic might not be as “impactful” as fel magic, but at least I can rest confidently knowing my soul won’t end up as some demon’s plaything one day.

[Kynrad-dalaran]

I can only report what I remember in my alliance guild and that was mages topping the meters on many fights esp ones that went 31arcane/frost. And locks were behind except once in awhile and when they did our best lock usually died from pulling aggro. I remember this was especially a problem in naxx after he got some really great gear. Mind you this is alliance side too with bop and salvation.
A large SB crit seemed to just take him over the top quickly and I think might have something to do with the spell power coefficient of SB back then.

Anyway I didn’t play a caster myself in vanilla so I can’t speak for certain on any of this. (and it was a really long time ago).
But it seems that mage was a much more carefully developed class for vanilla release than lock. Come tbc though threat talents were moved around and soul shatter made them overpowered in pve.