I’m not saying anything close to that. I’m saying if you choose a non S-tier spec, they should at least bring something to the table to justify that choice.
An example of this is havoc DH. If they aren’t top dps you would have reason to choose one because they bring a +5% magic debuff. That helps the group overall, even if the DH’s dps may not be top tier.
Affliction has no such utility or reason to bring them. They offer nothing to the group that you can’t get from destro or demo, AND destro and demo bring their own unique utility that affliction cannot access. Destro has Havoc and Demo has access to an extra stun.
Feel free to look up my main. His name is Ritualist
Never said it was, I simply said it’s worse than destro or demo, and it’s lagging behind significantly, which is a fact.
Yes, you can, currently working on that actually.
Nowhere did I say it wasn’t viable. Idk where you’re getting this. Perhaps reread my posts.
I also never said it needs to be OP. In fact I said I didn’t need it to be, I just want it to have something it can do well. Anything. Make it burst, spread cleave, sustain, I don’t care. Affliction has no strength. Perhaps if it did, it wouldn’t be so overshadowed by destro and demo.
Affliction is seriously lagging behind, its actual numbers and representation reflect this, and seeing how Blizz just massively buffed it on the PTR, they also seem agree.
How about… instead of reaction posting you actually READ the comment that was put.
Basically if you coordinate with anyone who can res in your raid… you never need a soulstone for wipe recovery.
This is stating that you do not NEED a warlock for wipe recovery anymore… not saying you wont soulstone a healer… but on MYTHIC prog bosses where you’ll be wiping 200-300 times you wont need a Warlock to resurrect the team.
WTB the Affliction rework before 11.2 or Midnight. I am so sick and tired of it’s current playstyle and I want to return home to my warlock for once. I am tired of playing Demo and Destro every other tier. Affliction got changed into Rapture 5 years ago and this playstyle single handedly killed the spec for what I’d like to think for the majority of the player base. Where are the devs? Where is the transparency? Why don’t they even communicate with top writers or content creators that love the class to provide insight of their existence?
I watched Maximum’s tier list video for 11.1 and saw Kalamazi call out Affliction being the most outdated spec (which is true) in current content. It’s stuck, it’s needs quality of life, it needs reverted back to what it was good at as a spender (unstable affliction) and balanced correctly.
I know I am ranting but I just passionate about the spec and holding onto whatever left of copium I have for the devs to do justice and atleast throw out some ideas for a rework within the discords, communities, or even top creators that play the class.
I really think this patch cadence and shorter expansions have ruined class structures and gameplay to a full extent. I firmly believe gameplay within a class is more important than Siren Isle/Forbidden Reach style mini patches.
Warlock are brought into raids for healthstones, gateways and summoning stone. Nothing more.
We have ONE viable spec for raid AND mythic+ making the season 1 experience a lacking one. If you pick affliction or demonology in raid or mythic+, you’re simply going to output less.
Most classes have one strong raid spec and one strong mythic+ spec. We have… neither.
3K is an easy flex - you can achieve that on any class. Finding a group willing to take a low dps class without heroism even with a very high IO? Not so easy.
Most of us had to form our own groups or run with guilds to get the 3K+ which does nothing to aleviate the obvious gap between Warlock and other classes.
Affliction and demo spent most of the season at the bottom (affliction still here) and destruction sat low mid until it got buffed. I’ve watched almost every class have one spec usually sit high but warlock can’t say it about any of the specs. Thread title is appropriate.
Warlock is in a strange but interesting space atm. I only PvP as afflic, i raid as destro and i m+ as demo. Demo for me outputs the best dps in m+ out of the 3 and the utility is great.
3K is an easy flex - you can achieve that on any class
Sounds like you agree with me. Why are you whining? You move goalposts every time you reply. First its Warlocks are the worst and nonviable, now its “you can get to top 1% as a warlock but if I want to be top 0.01% its hard”. Yeah, it’s WoW. The game has never been designed to allow every spec to reach that level under the same circumstances. There will always be an optimal group comp. Always.
They should give warlocks back their dmage amping curses curse of elements and reckless. One for spell damage and one for physical damage. That would buff out raid viability alot
All classes are viable for 3k. That’s a 12 average key clear and hardly difficult after the constant mythic+ nerfs throughout the season and I never suggested otherwise.
Optimal group comp is very different for every class having at least one spec (Often several) patch itterations where they were strong in the first season.
Paladin - Best current Mythic Tank (tied with DH)
DH - Vengeance best current tank (tied with Pally)
Mage - Arcane S+ for the first half of the season with fire dominating raids mid season
Druid - Resto S+ currently and Guardian was S+ for the beginning of the season
Priest - S+ Disc current
DK - S+ mid season until it was nerfed
Evoker - Augmentation is always S+, Pres current best raid healer
Shaman - Currently broken across all specs
Rogue - Assissination extremely strong in Mythic+
Warriors - Strong mid season until nerfed.
Can’t remember how hunter’s did - but I’m confident they were in a better position than we were.
What does that realistically leave? Monk? It couldn’t be more evident that we don’t have a dev when our numbers have been consistently behind all season long and we’re only given 1 spec to bring in both Mythic+ high keys and mythic raiding leaving very little options for variety.
If you bring affliction or demonology into either of these forms of content, you’re simply going to output less or you’re messing up the rotation. Couple this was affiction’s currently playstyle that many players have expressed discontentment with and the myriad of dead talents we have and it’s not suprise a lot of people rerolled.
Do yourself a favour and check leaderboards and raid logs before you spout your incorrect opinions laced with the unnessecary attitude (especially when you’re only 2.2k rating, 626ilvl at the END of the season with no raid clear beyond half of LFR with the class we’re discussing).
Odd you would even pretend to understand the problems Warlock has in high end content if you’re not even participating in it.
Do yourself a favour and check leaderboards and raid logs before you spout your incorrect opinions laced with the unnessecary attitude (especially when you’re only 2.2k rating, 626ilvl at the END of the season with no raid clear beyond half of LFR with the class we’re discussing).
Brother, you proved my point that every spec can do +12’s. Your entire thread is pointless now.
Also… this is an alt, that I made for fun, and did every key except CoT lmao. Not surprised you’re incapable of checking achievements and jump to conclusions - a la every single reply you make in this thread.
Keep contradicting yourself, bud. Odd that you keep hiding behind your 950 IO Paladin.
Oh look. Another person telling others to get good who thinks heroic raiding and ksm makes them a good player.
I aLwAyS tOp DmG iN mY CoNteNt
How can you tell how weak warlock is in high end content if you don’t even participate in it?
Brother, you proved my point that every spec can do +12’s. Your entire thread is pointless now
Just because every class can do 12+'s doesn’t mean that all classes are equal or even close in power dumb dumb. You know, the entire point of this thread that you keep dancing around?
Most classes are capable of doing 20’s EXCEPT warlock where the average high placement is a 17.
This entire class needs a dedicated developer to updating it. It’s starting to feel very outdated as comparison to how the rest can get their damage out.
I don’t know what’s going on but the “here you go more damage warlocks” is not going to do it.
Buffing damage won’t fix issue of clunky gameplay where we’re not going to see that dps increase. Many QoL things we’ve been asking for as well go ignored.
The big issues is our dev doesn’t want to. This is why we’re only getting damage buffs from here on out.
The gameplay of the class seems like is going to stay for the foreseeable future until we get someone different.
That applies to big talent changes. Big sadge that the class tree is screwed and that any of the spec talents won’t see any big changes.
Pour one out for the entire demo lower right side of the tree, umbral braze still being the same as it was since DF, affliction playing dance dance revolution with dots in mythic+ while other non dots specs apply theirs almost instantly or the myriads of talents in all spec trees that haven’t been picked since the release of the expansion, to include casting so much.
Honestly Im somewhat surprised how this dev team can ignore to tune some classes over others. This company seems to be getting enough money from players to be able to do these things double and over efficiently.
Seems like the bigger issue with Blizzard is a huge mismanagement of resources.
