This rune to me seems like a pre-felguard rune. Affliction warlocks in both PvE and PvP (all warlocks in PvP for that matter), will take Invocation (Dot damage on refresh) or Shadow and Flame (10% damage on crit) over an unreliable 5% chance buff from the updated Grimoire of Synergy.
Just to put this in perspective, an imp casts firebolt every 2 seconds. So on average it will take 40 seconds to get a proc. In some boss fights you will never get a proc from your pet. And pet damage isn’t high enough for locks unless specc’ed into improved firebolt, which no deep affliction warlock can possibly get until level 60.
So why did we get a rune that only benefits PvE destruction warlocks? The spec doesn’t need any help. Affliction needs help in both PvE AND PvP. And this ability will never benefit a pvp lock.
What am I missing?
Let’s give attention to runes like Soul Siphon Rune instead, which literally is useless.
Or… I suggest increasing the proc rate and reducing the benefit so it’s somewhat reliable. Last time I dueled a player I got them to 40% HP using only my succubus and still didn’t get a proc. Not fun. Tried in gnomer about 14 hours ago, also unreliable. (I don’t have talent points reducing imp cast time like destro locks).
Also please remove Demonic Grace from the GCD and just reduce its duration 1.5 seconds. It will be a much more lively ability in PvP and PvE.
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I mean 5% is 1-20 seems a bit unreliable in pvp scenario
But I have seen it proc and the 25% is noticable
That being said I would of rather had it proc 25% 1-4 for 5% damage
Invocation is mid at best… unreliable to dispels but most people are dead before agony and siphon get that low anyways
I’ve have been working with demonic grace recently with the rise of geared melee… and I gotta say it’s very underestimated as a 30% dodge and crit
Use before every nightfall or haunt cast for a quick 800-1000 damage is huge
I have also dodge kidney mutilate pet stuns raptor strikes warriors intercept
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I agree 100%. In a PvP scenario pets aren’t used to attack very often, so I think even with a much higher proc rate it will be meh. But a way higher proc rate for less damage would make it the go-to for affliction locks (at least in PvE), and likely in PvP too unless running Demonic Grace for haunt/nightfall crits.
Same
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Affliction is kinda bad unfortunately. Destruction is just way more damage.
Of course. Either this rune was adjusted to set the stage for something else later, or it demonstrates total ignorance, or maybe they actually wanted a way to encourage more lake of fire use by trading Demonic Tactics and Shadow and Flame. Which in my opinion is very clunky gameplay. No idea.
Hard to interpret whether you mean pve or pvp.
Affliction is good in PVP and mid pve
Destruction is mid pvp okay in pve
It is the best waist rune for Demo warlock tanks now.
It doesn’t feel like it was an intended rune for Destruction at all since Shadow and Flame can get 100% uptime as Destruction.
Grimoire was definitely intended as a Demonology rune, imo, and with the buff, it is finally a viable rune to use.
happy warlock noises
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People us it, in fact it’s bis now.
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It’s the BIS rune for belts now.
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It’s actually best on destro lock, puts it over shadow and flame even with 60% crit chance. Machine gun imp procs it.
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Yeah this is what I expected. My question is why did destro need buffs? But affliction left with nothing? Math checks out 15 second proc on average once every 20 seconds as long as the imp has mana which would average out to 75% up time at 25% damage increase = 18.75% damage buff versus up to 10% (using very estimated rough beer math).
Seems misplaced.
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No it’s still trash for demo tanks.
nope. sims disagree with you.
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it’s literally the bis rune now for all specs
you use a pet as affliction so it’s a buff for you too
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Thank you for the topic Noxim, here is my perspective.
For my playstyle, I do not take Invocation because I’m generally never refreshing Corruption or Immolate in PvP on a target, nor am I using Siphon Life or care to much about Agony damage. I don’t use Shadow and Flame because I have a self buffed 5% crit chance and the only spell I cast that could crit is Haunt and possibly Immolate. Grimoire of Synergy gives me a 5% chance per my pets attack plus my Haunt, meaning it will proc more that only waiting for a crit from my Haunt would do.
All pets have an attack speed of 2.0 so we can apply that to all pets for anyone who doesn’t know.
I agree a buff or change to Soul Siphon Rune would be great as it is lackluster. One use however, since we have to deal with it for now, is this: When you are Affliction and dot your enemy up, then fear them, if you take Master Channeler then you will have to run with the target as to stay in range. This takes away “for the most part” the ability to Drain Soul. If however you take Soul Siphon instead, you CAN fear and Drain Soul, because you will not fear the target going past 24 yards plus you now get 18% more damage on Drain Soul. So in that scenario, you will not only add Drain Soul damage to the feared target, but it will be pumped 18%.
Yes please! I’ve asked for this with in game suggestions.
Please no, I enjoy the 6 seconds and sometimes even find the time to low, yet understand why it’s that low. Any lower would not be ideal for me.
I’ve chosen Demonic Grace for use for a long time, pre phase 2. It is exactly how you describe it <3
To be honest, Affliction is trash in PVP. I have tried it and the DOTs do so little dmg even with Haunt that it’s worthless. Nevermind trying tonspread DOTs to other targets.
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OP I ran gnomer yesterday and my imp was pumping. The rune was nice to have for the first and last two bosses as an OT, too.
I def want to try it with SL as a MT and see the difference tho.
Meh… just difference in playstyle I guess…
I am having a totally different experience with affliction than a lot of people here
Idk why
I feel like a freaking monster on affliction
Can 1v1 just about any class
My dots are insane I can just about 100-0 you with my three dots and haunt and walk away
Multi dotting everyone with corruption and proc nightfall just instant blasting people
It’s literally the most fun I’ve had since legion feral tbh
Last night my haunt crit for 800 into a 950 nightfall shadow bolts proc with demonic grace its insane just destroyed losers lol
It is fun. But chaos bolt crits for 4k+ in the raid. Aff is viable, it’s just not good.
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Strictly talking pvp brah
Don’t care how much I hit a computer controlled mob for lol