Sure our Affliction and Destro raid damage is good. Still horrible in Mythics and PvP. Lowest class average Raider IO and lowest PvP representation per classes active in arena. They’re horrifically bad in these situations.
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i don’t mind. I’m not looking to push high 20’s or get rank 1 or do MDI.
I’m enjoying locks, and i’m topping dps in practically every m+ 7-10 i do.
will get ksm by the end of the season so no stress.
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Warlocks are not awful in mythic plus. They just arent Meta
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Not even sure destro damage is good. It’s just “okay.” It’s harder than it needs to be to get into keys (yes, I can and do push my own) simply because we don’t bring the utility that groups actually want (lust, instant brez, some form of shroud). There’s plenty of other stuff that makes keys miserable (lack of mobility, ramping damage, etc.), but those are things we can work around.
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Warlocks don’t start showing up on the raider io mythic runs list until rank 533.
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That’s because warlocks aren’t meta. Doesn’t make warlocks bad in keys though.
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So you just described something that’s not meta because it is bad then say it’s not bad. I’m sorry but that’s a lot of mental gymnastics.
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Not really.
The meta is S tier.
Warlocks aren’t in the S tier like rogues/mages/boomkins are which is why you won’t see them at MDI.
Warlocks are probably A tier.
It doesn’t make them bad, they just aren’t a part of the meta.
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I would put warlocks more of in B tier, outside of tyrannical, tyrannical is def A tier.
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I mean even with non tyrannical lock brings a skip/cookies/br and good damage. It’s def borderline but I give it low a tier personally.
My issue with us in fort, is other classes have a lot easier time dealing damage in fort, where locks need hella ramp up time for afflic, only do damage during infernal for destro, and demo requiring chain pulling nonstop.
That’s only reason i throw them in B, they just have to many variables. Which is a shame, cause they feel fun in aoe.
Though big dog build might be trucking now, haven’t testing with inquis leggo, but I imagine it’ll feel real good.
That and apparently implosion builds are running oom lmao.
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I have been running rb as Destro in keys and still feel strong in aoe.
Granted I’m still getting there but running synergy has felt strong.
Oh yeah, synergy is a monster
Yeah my next step is to level it up to max rank.
I just rerolled from rogue and have been playing about 2 weeks lol
I’d say Aff is A tier in Tyrannical and lower in Fort, but Destro is A tier during Fortified and lower in Ty.
If they want to make us more potent in Mythic plus, we’d need to provide a buff (like we used to provide an alternative stamina buff), lust, an insta-cast brez, etc. We also lack an immunity or super strong DR (40% isn’t enough to let you soak mechanics, like the 2nd to last boss in SoA), which means we’re lacking really hard in general. It’d be cool if Burning Rush was baseline and the talent was replaced with a juiced up form of our old Dark Bargain talent, which gave us temporary immunity to damage, but caused us to take a DoT for damage received during the immune phase.
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This would be really nice. Maybe something like:
You gain 5 seconds of immunity, but then suffer 50% of your hp in shadow damage over 5 seconds.
It would have to have some kind of drastic drawback to prevent it being used in PvP. Unless Blizz wanted us to have an immunity 
but I doubt it.
It could also just replace unending resolve, but still deal half your hp in damage. Lots of possibilities
It would also fit warlock very well to trade their life for temporary power, and that power having a drawback
Dark bargain used to be:
- Prevents all damage for 8 sec, but when the effect ends, you take 50% of the damage prevented over 8 sec. Usable while suffering from control impairing effects.
I’d prefer if they added this back, even if it was a shortened duration with a lower % (like 40 instead).
I did not know that. I didn’t play my warlock when they had dark bargain.
Tbh that sounds so much better than the one we have now. I really dislike how current dark pact costs health, and the shield is mediocre.
An immunity would be so much better
Destro isn’t really A tier for fort IMO, bc outside of infernal you’re screwed. Aff on tyrannical is pretty nutty though. And when we prescribe these tiers to the lock, do we mean only in damage? Or overall? Bc not having an immunity and mobility issues in the fast paced and high speed mythic environment can be detrimental.
I disagree. Saying they are not meta is too broad of a statement. They are viable. Like pretty much all specs out there. But they are certainly not great. The only time where i would consider locks great in keys is tyrannical 16+ keys specially DoS where you could consider aff a tier because of the sheer amount of sustained single target dps it does.
Other than that locks don’t bring anything special to a mythic+ group making them stand out from the crowd. Average mythic+ class at the very best. Destruction aoe is fine but nothing other classes with better tools to help their group can bring when it comes to aoe and cleave. Maybe in a key with 4 bosses constituted of two non stacked targets destruction would stand out but such key doesn’t exist.