Warlock feels weak in mythics

UH is king currently, don’t have much concern about how you compare to them, they are on another level.

They have high damage that is easy to use and has quick ramp time.

Affliction has decent aoe, but compared to UH it takes a monumental amount of effort and slow ramp.

You’re doing something wrong then.

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Not everyone is bad at the game.

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I don’t think you have seen how broken unholy is in a decent players hands. My 183 unholy dk decimates anyone else. When this lock at 184 struggles to pull 4k+ on trash and 3k+ on bosses my slightly less geared DK will easily do 7k+ on trash and 4k+ on bosses.

Edit: Not to mention the unholy rotation just feels so smooth and they really did fix the ramp up issues unholy had in BFA, now we are the only spec with 15s+ ramp up.

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I’ve seen how strong unholy is but with a 30 ilvl gap, there’s a lot more going on there because main stat value alone should dictate the lock wouldn’t get dumpstered. That said, I expect unholy to get hit with a nerf bat before long because they’re super strong single target and have some of the best AoE in the game.

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I have only had time to do one mythic i came out top total damage. I agree chaos bolt needs a buff but beyond that are aoe is actually pretty dam good at the moment. To me destruction feels like a pretty solid mid tier spec solid aoe great cleave and single target is just average.

Agreed. A 10-15% buff on CB and incinerate damage, then slap another 10% on the necro cov and 15-20% on venthyr cov. Maybe a 10% buff of Agony or Corruption even. Then they can go back to ignoring us for awhile.

Don’t forget a flat 10-15% aura buff to Demo.

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Says a paladin

AoE is pretty good IMO, plenty of options depending on your playstyle. Yes, single target could use some work for sure, particularly incinerate and CB. Non Decimating incinerates are literally wet noodles slithering on the ground, buffed incinerates hit/crit harder than CB.

Either buff incinerate base damage, or buff CB to hit how it’s supposed to hit (obviously the more popular choice). Even conflag sometimes crits higher than CB. I generally see 6k-6.5k CB, where a buffed incinerate can do up to 8-9k crit, or 7k crit on conflag.

For PvP…I don’t PvP much, but when I do…I yield way better results in Aff as a DoT/Drain Soul Sniper, and even that takes considerable effort in a BG. I can’t constructively criticize that aspect of the game since I don’t do it enough.

I haven’t had an issue.

Damage is fine, granted I’ve yet to get into Mythics, but I guess some of the rotations are annoyingly high maitenance compared to other specs (like BM).
I used to think having a complex rotation was good but I’ve decided it’s not since then. Complexity is a necessary evil but it;s not good like some cope themselves into believing.

Show those logs guys I wanna see this 8k, people seem to be mentioning.

You can do 8k in burst aoe without too much trouble in demono. But this is with the Tyrant up.

I do Destro in dungeons and it feels pretty good. I went Kyrian which is really only good for Affliction but I make do with what I have. It’s not hard to keep up in boss fights.

Like most ranged, we have burst aoe and it is most beneficial on big pulls. You’re not going to be able to compete with melee aoe, on longer pack pulls, just get used to that. Though it’s gear dependent, I can usually hit the top spot on meters unless it is an extremely movement heavy fight. So I think at least Destro is in a good place right now, though I have gripes (ahem, Chaos Bolt).

Affliction is good it just suffers from the same problem it had in BfA: the damage is allocated to the wrong place in the spec. Nearly all the damage comes from Malefic Rupture, which in a spec where shard regen is RNG based (outside add heavy fights where you can DS on death a bunch of things), feels super bad.

Demo is tremendous fun to play but just doesn’t bring the damage because it’s either undertuned or won’t begin to scale until we’re far enough along in the expansion to get good haste levels.

So while it’s true that some classes are overtuned right now, I have to say in dungeon content if you think you’re way behind anyone at the same or greater ilevel, you’re doing something wrong.

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Aoe is not the problem right now. It’s single target. Even Demono is fine in aoe. I do mythic+ in demono dog bite build and i can pull around 8k in aoe when my CDs are up and around 4-5k when they are not providing there’s 4-5 targets not dying too fast.

Problem is single target. Destruction used to be very good in single target at the end of bfa (and dominant with occasional cleave). Right now Destruction single target damage is B maybe even C tier. It’s just not there. I understand they had to nerf Destruction in pvp but they still had to keep it viable in pve which right now imo it is not in the raid. Too much movement and not enough burst when standing still to compensate.

Demono single target damage is lackluster. C tier at best probably purely in single target unless maybe you have the Demon Bolt legendary (i don’t have it so I can’t test). Affliction single target damage is okaish but you have to work so hard just to do the same damage as two buttons classes and it doesn’t feel great. I don’t mind having to work hard but there need to be a reward at the end of the day.

Mythic+ Is literally the only thing destro is doing pretty well in right now, you simply arent playing the spec correctly. Ive done nothing but be at the top of the meters in m+ so far as both demo dog spec and destro w/ wilfreds.

you have only done 2 mythic+2, you dont have any idea what youre talking about lol

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you literally have 0 mythic+ done…

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We’ll feel better after the tuesday CB buff goes through. Right now with Cata and CDF it’s like… every other trash pull we top meters. Pure single target fights are pretty rough at the moment though.