Chiming in to laugh about the crossed out word
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Hey Baal you think I should toss in my Demo rework idea I posted in the warlock forum in this thread? I would love to see us be able to actually tame/make a deal with beings aside from our current core demons.
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Oh that’d be fun. I’m still down for spell glyphs 
Blizzard said “Demon Rights!”
Do it
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buuuuuuuuuuuuump. cant believe i got hit with the “pero like”. that takes me back.
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Also bump, this needs to be a thing.
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So this is my idea of a rework for Demonology with Shadowlands level squish. Also with seeing a lot of the ideas for demon stables I think it would further the rework idea I have put together.
Aside from a few spells becoming baseline for Demo like Demonic Strength and Soul Strike as they should be base abilities of our most powerful demon. Doom would be nice however with the rework I have in mind its not that needed unless it would be like Legion Doom. Now aside from mana being removed from our spec we would also lose Shadow Bolt as it would be replaced by Nether Bolt “upon casting Nether Bolt a portal from the nether opens shooting out a ball shadow dealing X shadow damage and pulling an imp from the neither to fight with you for 12 seconds. Also grants a soul shard.”
Row 1 (imps):
Bilescourge Bombers:
Your imps summoned from Nether Bolt are replaced with Bilescourge Bombers that will fire at your target for 10 seconds then dive-bomb your current target dealing AOE damage.
Eyes of Gul’dan:
Your imps summoned from Nether Bolt are replaced with The Eyes if Guldan that fire at your target for 12 seconds dealing increased damage while they attack the same target.
Wyrmtongue:
Your imps summoned from Nether Bolt are replaced with Wyrnmtongue that throw vials of acid at your target for 12 seconds which leave a pool of acid on the ground which deal continuous damage.
Row 2 (Dreadstalkers):
Wyrmtongue Riders:
When you cast Call Dreadstalkers; Wyrmtongue riders are summoned and attack your target with weapons stolen from the nether.
Ur’zul:
When you cast Call Dreadstalkers your dreadstalkers are replaced with Ur’zul that lung at your target causing the faces to scream Fearing the target for .5 seconds. Targets immune to Fear are silenced for .5 seconds
Void Terror:
When you cast Call Dreadstalkers your dreadstalkers are replaced with Void Terrors which shoot your targets in front of them with their eye beams until the reach their target in which they cleave your targets with both heads.
Keep Row 3 as is. Unless Demon Skin becomes baseline(pipe dream i know)
Row 4 (New Summon all 1.5 second cast with 45 second CD):
Summon VileFiend (same spell as current)
Summon Felbat:
Summon an Felbat to fight for you
Summon Inquisitor:
Summon an Inquisitor to fight for you
Keep Row 5 as is.
Row 6 (Additional pet all are guardians that are summoned when you summon your main pet regardless of pet. All demons can be killed which would require an additional summoning of your main demon):
Infernal partner:
When you call your Demon an Infernal joins them to fight with you dealing AOE damage.(this would similarly act like it did in legion)
Imp Mother Partner:
When you call your demon an Imp Mother joins them attacking and summoning imps to fight along side you.
Miniature Annihilan Partner:
When you call your demon a miniature Annihilan joins them empowering you and your demons as its presence though small still grants strength. (essentially this gives soul conduit and expendables while it remains alive.)
Row 7(Demonic Energy Spenders): (at level 50 gain Demonic energy when a demon expires as well as when you call forth demons from the Nether)
Demonic Ascension(Meta with a twist):
Demonic Ascension Grants you two possible forms which are selected before casting. The forms are Mo’arg(Transform into a Mo’arg that calls forth demonic cannons while firing buzzsaws at enemies) and Mo’rag Brute(Transform into a Mo’arg Brute charging into combat and attacking with heavy melee weapons.)
Tyrannical Soul Shard:
Once you reach max Demonic energy you can call forth a Soul Shard of Tyrannical energy. When you use a Tyrannical Soul shard to cast of Summon Demonic Tyrant it lasts twice as long and has its cooldown is reduced by half. It also gains access to Shadow Bolt Volley.
Nether Portal(same name but different): Once you have reached maximum Demonic Energy your next Nether Bolt opens a more stable portal to the Nether calling forth a demon from the nether for each demon you summon while it remains open.(Demons summoned through Nether Portal do not contribute to Demonic energy.)
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Extra pets like Annihilan and Imp mother would be like perma guardians?
Demonology could have more creatures with interesting effects like in your ideas. We summon vilefiend that only deals damage… for example =/
Yes any partner we would get would be a guardian which is why they are all passive abilities attached to them to make them a little easier to work with from a balancing stand point. For the main portion I stuck with purely demons that are already in wow; though the thought of using aberrations had not really crossed my mind so much. Plenty of the talents I threw out could be changed to have an aberration instead of a demon.
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I think Demonology should have the right to have a better demon even with these stable changes, like taming elite demon bosses from older raids.
Prince Malchezaar |Gender|Male|
| — | — |
|Race|Man’ari eredar (Demon)|
|Level|?? Boss|
|Class|Warlock|
|Health|796,740|
|Reaction|Alliance Horde|
|Affiliation(s)|Warlock adventurer|
|Former affiliation(s)|Burning Legion|
|Occupation|Prince of the eredar|
|Former occupation(s)|Master of Karazha|
Similar to how beast mastery hunters could have better beasts than the other specs.
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I do believe demo deserves an upgrade from the Felguard. He’s getting old, tired and less durable in his old age. I appreciate the time spent together. But I’m ready for a Pit Lord, or for him to ascend to a Fel Lord
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I wish…no…pray, and I’m not a religious man, but god be my witness I’ll be on my knees praying to have Atrigan instead of my Felguard 
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Boop!
I am pleased with the things on the new starting zone. They are a good step in the right direction on class specific quests to learn our abilities.
If we are going to get one of the pair, how about the other one too?
https:// wow.gamepedia. com/Belac
Belac and Atrigan are awesome
Demons are not pets. This idea is stupid. Stop requesting for stupid stuff.
Warlocks… are literally… a pet class… with demon pets… you utter fool
edit: just checked through your activity and all you do is be negative on every single thread you participate in, get a life man
Felguard and Voidwalker :’)
Nice idea moonmooon
Agreed 
Sadly Felguards are Mo’arg but Fel Lords are Eredar 
it’d be Wrathguard to Fel Lord
It’s so dumb they removed all those quests in Cata in the first place tbh
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Demons are beings you enter into a contract with, willingly. Using a ‘tamed’ demon in combat would be one lapse in concentration away from fighting 2 enemies at the same time.
Pointing up lapses in logic is not being negative.
There are no contracts. That’s Shaman with elementals. Warlocks subjugate them. Enslave them. See Vanilla quests.
For a warlock you sure don’t know how warlock lore works uh?
Canonically false actually. Felhunters were not “contracted with” but tamed due to their bestial nature, and with the new quest as I explain in the original post Voidwalkers are not contracted with but the ritual is completed by the player character to summon and subjugate a being of the Void. It is not, in fact, always willing.
Since Mists with the Legacy of the Masters canon, Warlocks have been studying more to be able to go out and enslave/subjugate any demon we wish (this is the lore explanation for the OG Grimoire of Supremacy for the Mists of Pandaria revamp).
You are incorrect 
Please read through the original post to see why you are wrong with cited references. Enjoy!
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For whatever reason, the game designers do not want to give Warlocks more models. We seem to be stuck with what we have. There are some gorgeous models that the op highlighted from Legion. The art department did an outstanding job. Why can’t we use them? No one is asking for more abilities, just a different look.
I have never seen a developer respond to this question of why they will not expand the model choice. Shadowlands is not even adding anymore glyphs as I understand it.
The only explanation I can think of is that more models would somehow encroach on the uniqueness of hunters, but I don’t think hunters really care one way or another.
I would even expand this to let Mages have a different model of water pet, DK’s Ghouls, Shamans elementals etc. Why not?
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