I was looking through talent builds as I dont have much time to raid or pvp so mainly dungeons and world pvp, I built this spec around being able to dot someone fully than fear and when low shadow burn them
Can’t post a link for some reason go to wowhead talent calculator and add this to the end
warlock/05012505122011051-135-50500001
SM/Ruin and do everything well.
pretty much this
SM-Ruin is the king of warlock specs like others have said, its the all around spec, if you want survivabilty and decent dmg and want to be a 1v1 1v2 god go Soul-Link (The most OP SPEC), if you are looking for a bursty build go nightfall-conflag.
Here are the 3 I use personally.
SM-Ruin = /talent-calc/warlock/2501203212201135–50500051022001
Soul Link / Shadowburn = /talent-calc/warlock/05002-20503031325010512-50500001
Nightfall / Conflag = /talent-calc/warlock/25012031122–5050005102205151
If you want something close to what you are looking into try, (This is not a great pvp spec so always be watching)
Affliction / Shadowburn = /talent-calc/warlock/2500253212201125-205-50500001
on your last build why would you take cataclysm talent over aftermath. Cataclysm is one of the worse talents in all the trees.
5% mana reduction in destruction spells! GREAT GAINS! xd
Cataclysm is actually fairly powerful for a PVE lock.
If you look at some of my boss logs you’ll see fights where I’ve gained 10,000+ mana over the duration of the fight. Warlocks are NOT mana efficient and our mana pools do not last long.
To gain that much mana to keep casting, you can chug pots, demonic runes, life tap, etc. But, things like cataclysm directly reduce your mana use which means less globals spent life tapping and more spent dealing damage. Means you actually end up dealing more damage over the duration of the fight than without it.
I do not personally have cataclysm, but it would translate to a direct PVE dps upgrade if I did.
When you’re only spamming shadowbolt a high cost DESTRUCTION spell, yes that would make sense. Only for raiding though.
You talking about the NIght Fall/Conflag build? Cause the one you quoted is Affliction/Shadowburn.
the bottom one you listed. The link was broken and just searched on google and that build included cataclysm.
I went back through all the things I linked, none of them should have cataclysm or aftermath in any of them. On less I am missing something lol. I fixed each one to correspond with the names for each, to help others ask about a particular setup.
But if you are talking about Affliction/Shadowburn, which I think you are, it should be 33-7-11. The 11 in destruction should be Improved shadowbolt = 5, Bane =5, and 1 into shadow burn which comes out to a total of 11.
If anything i would put at least a point in aftermath because the slow helps in pvp.
IMO, aftermath is too unreliable. You get very little use out of it. A better option to me is to sacrifice points elsewhere and take Curse of Exhaustion. When you need a slow, you NEED it, so the reliability is very nice.
you cant take curse of exhaustion when you play a deep destro build. The aftermath slow is actually stronger than CoE. Its just rng, you can spam searing pain to get the proc effect.
True, you cant with deep destro. But my experience with that is that destro is super binary. Either I boom my target or I lose. Aftermath doesn’t help. The one place I see aftermath being useful on is an SL/Shadowburn build.
You could take a few from the SL/Shadowburn build to go aftermath, like the 2 from improved life tap and Improved spell stone. But I find both of those much better.
Reasons behind why I feel they are better is with improved life tap you have a crutch for the mana problems warlocks have, improved spell stone lets you get around a 1200 magic dmg shield which will take for example a hefty Ice Bolt from a mage or a really wicked shadow bolt from another warlock before you have to pop the sacrifice from the void walker, which in return you would survive longer and do more dmg. Aftermath is a % chance where as the other 2 are a forsure thing.
With bwl+ gear it’s more like you either “boom your target” or you “boom them for some multiple of their entire health bar”
Pretty much. If a warlock bwl+ gear opens on you with a soul fire into a shadow burn they are going to chunk you or kill you, if they don’t kill you, then you have to hope you kill the warlock before he gets Immolate off and Conflags you.