Warglaives and Transmog

Cowshock-area-52 · January 10, 2020, 1:22pm

Adding my support for opening up opening up warglaives to others.

It’s a slap in the face to those who have diligently farmed them for so long…

Imagine the heartache for those who learned that only DH will ever get to transmog these back in Legion, to then have a ray of hope during the Shadowlands reveal that legendaries can be transmogged, only to see the hope was a lie…

… from a Twitter post of all places…

Limelight-stormrage · January 10, 2020, 1:24pm

Are you referring to your own posts?

Considering what I was replying to, the reason itself is irrelevant.

“You know, deep down, it’s not going to happen.”
Considering I just said that, duh?

The point I made flew right over your head.

“B-b-but the reason…”
Doesn’t matter. You just tried to counter me by saying something I just said.

Laziness vs time is another argument, one not based on fact, but opinions. The fact you can’t differentiate the two indicates why you’re a solid example of why kids shouldn’t skip school.

Frei-frostmourne · January 10, 2020, 1:25pm

No, im referring to your very first quote, next time stop quoting people if you have no point.

My mistake was to think you have a point in quoting me.

Limelight-stormrage · January 10, 2020, 1:26pm

“This guy disagrees with me so he doesn’t have a point”

Piss poor deflection.

Frei-frostmourne · January 10, 2020, 1:27pm

You actually agree with my point, that they can’t do remodel. Are you ok dude?

Limelight-stormrage · January 10, 2020, 1:30pm

You truly can’t read then. A few points were brought up:

Would an HD remodel happen
You completely missing what I said, then trying to make a claim against me
Why an HD remodel wouldn’t happen

I get that you want to ignore it, but that doesn’t suddenly make it go away. Sorry, bud.

Kiphette-earthfury · January 10, 2020, 1:32pm

why the hell is this post flagged?

Frei-frostmourne · January 10, 2020, 1:34pm

You can’t read then,

First i said they can’t do remodel
Then you said “You talk like it would do any harm”
I said i don’t say things about remodel would do any harm, i said it won’t happen
Then you said that’s exactly my point.
Then i said “No, my point is they cant do it because of resource, yours is because they’re lazy”
Then you said “So its the same”
Then i said “If it’s the same then you’re just agreeing with me from the start”
Then you said “Its what i said, glad you can admit it”

Then you proceed to say that you disagree with me.

I swear its like talking to a monkey.

Veranarana-pagle · January 10, 2020, 1:37pm

Because it’s a duplicate thread…

anon37571265 · January 10, 2020, 1:37pm

guess ya misssed to /s. i don’t mind at all

Shadina-gorefiend · January 10, 2020, 1:40pm

I disagree here. With the loss of tier sets, we also lost elite mogs, which are an entirely cosmetic trophy. Now, there’s only four elite sets to earn (because they’re also cross faction). If you earn the plate 1800 mog, then you also get it on an Alliance, and because it’s not class specific, it can work on all three plate wearers. There’s no variety.

Whereas in Legion, I saw class specific elite mogs and said: “I want those”. So I earned them. By the time I was done in Legion, I had earned nine separate elite mogs. Three on priest, two on demon hunter, and one on warlock, shaman, warrior and death knight.

It was so fulfilling and so rewarding to chase those down. Couple that with 36 different mage towers, the special set from ToV, tier sets from each individual raid, and the other four sets of artificat appearances - BFA is trash in comparison. And I say that as someone who has hit duelist multiple times and collected multiple enchants throughout this expansion.

BFA is noticeably lacking in cosmetic rewards for someone like me who actively chases them down. There’s nothing even exclusive in this expansion that’s been announced to be time sensitive, other than the 1800 sets which I’ve already covered as no where near comparable to previous elite mogs modeled after elite sets, or even better like in WoD season 1, a completely unique set which didn’t come from anything else.

Limelight-stormrage · January 10, 2020, 1:41pm

So the point I was contesting comes down to one of two things: “Will it happen” vs “Why it wouldn’t happen”. So which one? Let’s continue.

No, this indicates a failing on your end. I didn’t say that was my point. I said that I acknowledged that it won’t happen. You’re more than welcomed to ask a capable adult to come into the room and re-read my second reply to you.

This is why this conversation went awry. I merely asked you why you thought it wouldn’t happen, while providing my own reasons as to why I thought it wouldn’t happen.

Somehow, you took that as me saying that it would happen, which prompted your silly response of “You can keep arguing but deep down you know HD remodel is not happening.”, which in turn, I called out.

Do you spend a lot of time around monkeys? I honestly wouldn’t be surprised at this point.

Frei-frostmourne · January 10, 2020, 1:42pm

Let’s just cut to the case. What exactly my opinion that you disagree with?

Mevaar-destromath · January 10, 2020, 1:44pm

Byucknah:

For starters, I say this as someone who has never really mained a Class that can wear both Warglaives nor plan to so I don’t really have a horse in this race. I am literally as unbias in this situation as I can get.

WITH THAT SAID–

I 100% think that this is a bad move and continues to prove the point that Blizzard is really REALLY inconsistent with their choices lately in a bad way… (Which I brought up in my Long Boi thread that got locked (rebel MVP for life))

To start with, I want to focus on the inconsistent part of this all. The Warglaives were introduced in The Burning Crusade and could be equipped by Warriors or Rogues. Demon Hunter’s would not come into existence in the game for another ~11 Years, well after their conception.

These iconic weapons, still very visually impressive to this day, are beloved by many and you can still see players using them in TBC time walking weeks. These were weapons that Warriors and Rogues took great pride in acquiring, weapons that people still love to wear and show off to this day and are now being limited by a class that was added ~11 years after the fact.

Now, I say its inconsistent because there are other examples that could be made where Blizzard did NOT make this decision!

Shadowmourne. Its a Legendary Weapon that was added in Wrath of the Lich King that is VERY heavily Death Knight themed and I would argue that from a narrative standpoint, not a gameplay/mechanical standpoint, is absolutely a Death Knight weapon first and foremost. Yes, Warrior’s and DK’s were allowed to make them but I argue that was for gameplay reasons as no legendary before had been restricted to a single class, not even the Bow which I believe one of the word first drops of that went to a Warrior or Rogue over a Hunter as a stat stick.

So… Why isn’t Shadowmourne Death Knight only? Following Blizzard’s logic and reasoning for the Warglaives, being iconic to DH’s, shouldn’t Shadowmourne also be Class locked to DK’s considering its basically an attempt at creating another Frostmourne type weapon to combat Frostmourne? Do I think it should be? No, but I am making a point of inconsistency here.

How about Thunderfury? A weapon introduced in Molten Core and a VERY iconic weapon to the game. Jump forward ~11 years, in the same expansion that introduces Demon Hunter’s we get the Artifact Weapon System along with multiple weapon skins/variations. It just so happens that Outlaw Rogues got a very specific skin for their Weapons in the form of Thunderfury.

So, using the same logic applied to Demon Hunter’s, Thunderfury is clearly a Rogue weapon according to the game then yeah? So then, shouldn’t the original Thunderfury be locked to just Rogues as well using the Demon Hunter Warglaives logic? Personally, I disagree but I bring this up to point out inconsistencies with this decision.

I get WHY Blizzard is making this decision. They went through the effort of making this unlock “questline” (not literal) for Demon Hunter’s in Legion that took some effort and luck to get done and it would be really cruddy to just invalidate it. However now you have put yourself in this really really bad situation where you are taking something away from players, something many of them have earned upwards of ~11 years ago, for a class that has only existed for ~3 years.

It comes off as both lacking foresight, being inconsistent, and to a degree feeling kind of lazy in the sense of “The DH unlock process already exists, why do more work?”

Personally, I think there is a medium that can be reached here and really think that Blizzard should re-consider its stance on the Warglaives and their transmog restrictions and I would like to offer up my personal suggestion.

First, let everyone who can use the Warglaives transmog them if they desire.

Second, give a new exclusive reward for anyone who has finished the unlocking process/does the unlocking process in the future in the form of a DH exclusive, 2020, HD remake of the 2007 Warglaives of Azzinoth for transmog.

We have seen Blizzard do HD remakes and how drastically better they look (Looking at you ToS Tier Sets) and I feel this could be a fair compromise. Let players transmog the original 2007 Warglaives and give DH’s who do the unlock process get exclusive, shiny, HD versions of the original Warglaives instead.

I get it, Warglaives are Demon Hunter weapons. They are iconic to Demon Hunter’s and Demon Hunter’s already are way behind in terms of how many Warglaive appearances exist in game. So give them something nice for going through the original unlocking process, the Warglaives of Azzinoth are ICONIC and I feel like that would be a fair trade.

This way, everyone who has the Warglaives and can use them can enjoy them as transmog while rewarding the Demon Hunter’s who went through the original process, and any future Demon Hunter’s who do, can enjoy an exclusive treat for their efforts much in the same way Rogues have their exclusive Thunderfury Artifact skins (In a few different colors)

I honestly believe that the above suggested change would result in a far happier medium than where we sit now. I think it would be far more considerate for players who have had Warglaives for years. I think it would be far more consistent with the rest of the Legendary weapons. I think this would be a good change.

I’ve been looking at your post for more than 10 minutes and I still couldn’t figure out why you got flagged. Also just quoting your whole post because of reasons.

Limelight-stormrage · January 10, 2020, 1:45pm

I simply disagreed with your reason as to why it wouldn’t happen. It really should’ve ended there, but you added that bit on the end, which made me realize there was confusion.

And I say it should’ve ended there because neither of us can actually prove the real reason Blizzard doesn’t do it.

Frei-frostmourne · January 10, 2020, 1:48pm

Read your posts.

This is where you went full ape
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Please reread your posts, next time stop quoting people if you have no idea what you want to say.

Limelight-stormrage · January 10, 2020, 1:51pm

I read it. I don’t see any issue. Like I said, you can’t read. You’re only exposing yourself.

We agree on the point that it isn’t happening. I never contested that.
We disagree on the reason as to why it isn’t happening. Neither of us went into that further.

The fact you think that is “agreeing with everything you said” is laughable.

Kiphette-earthfury · January 10, 2020, 1:52pm

Ohh, I read back up. no need to clarify, I can see this is a pissing match between a troll and a professional troll.

Frei-frostmourne · January 10, 2020, 1:52pm

No, you said our opinion are the same, i said they’re not, you said they are, then i said “so we basically have the same opinion” (basically no reason for me to disagree with you), you said “just because you disagree you have no point”.

Dude please go to school.

Signey-wildhammer · January 10, 2020, 1:53pm

So, I just caught up on the replies to this thread. Not sure how this devolved so quickly, but here’s a life hack: You can disagree with someone without attacking them.