Warcraft Logs & Ion on Power Infusion

Ion:

In terms of community feedback, one of the hot topics recently has been the return of the controversial ability, Power Infusion, on the priest talent tree. Are there any changes being planned to address some of the issues the community has with the ability, such how it impacts class balance?

I understand it’s controversial, but at the same time, some of this gets back to the earlier discussion of party and raid buffs, and our philosophy there with adding new ones. It is a cooperative MMO, where in the design space of “I can make my comrades, my allies stronger!” it seems like a viable support type role that should exist in an RPG setting. Internally, it’s interesting, the team has coined this problem. There are two games being played in a raid group. There is game 1, which is the game that we built, which is beat the raid boss, clear the dungeon in the time limit. Then there’s game 2, which players have largely created for themselves, which is win DPS meters, beat my performance from last week, get a purple parse, get a gold parse, whatever else. We don’t create that game. But many people are playing it, and it is almost the primary motivation for them. A question is, how sensitive should we be to that? How much should we be designing around that?

Because yes, certainly, if we were making a game, and the point of the game was maximize your score, maximize this number, it would be problematic to introduce elements into the game that are very random or skew outcomes one way or another. But that’s also not the game that we have made. We have created a cooperative game that presents these challenges to be overcome. And so something in that environment like Power Infusion is a really interesting decision in a range of raid settings. Maybe on farm you sell it to the person with the best burst window, but when you’re learning an encounter for the first time, it’s more “what are the moments in the fight that are most challenging for us? Do we need to burst down this wave of adds before this next thing happens and who should we PI? Should we PI a healer because we need a throughput burst to make it through this thing? DPS isn’t an issue, we’re just trying to survive but we don’t want to add a healer?” It’s those sorts of decisions that are interesting group dynamics that we would hate to take away.

And game 2, so to speak, is also one where the rules in other places are shaped by the community. Like everyone at this point thinks nothing of the fact that log sites completely ignore padding. You can maximize your number by just damaging a bunch of extraneous adds in a fight that don’t really serve the interest of the group. And doing that will make you have the biggest number and win meters, and the community has collectively decided this is unhealthy, we’re not going to count or reward that behavior, just because you’re multi-dotting all these adds that will die on their own…we’re not going to count this damage at all. And that shapes player behavior there. To some extent, we want to focus on designing for the so-called game 1, and making that the best experience possible, and leave to the community and log sites and others to figure out the rules for how they want to determine who the best hunter is, who the best mage is etc. on this fight.

Warcraft Logs:
They are giving their users a poll to vote on how the community would like to proceed with Power Infusions inclusion into Dragonflight. So if you care about this (or even if you don’t) let them know your thoughts.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/

You have to have an account to proceed.

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Interesting. Im gonna vote for them to not include PI so people can get over it already

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I’m gonna vote the opposite because chaos.

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I vote for Power Infusion, but it should always be cast on a WW monk if it’s in the group whether they are the target or not. Just like… smart prioritize the WW.

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Fully agree with the response.

The game is “World of Warcraft” not “World of I have the biggest epeen check my logs”

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Give power infusion the ability to affect an entire group and increase the cooldown along with it.

Maybe make Power Infusion is the new Bloodlust/ Heroism /Time Warp ?

Yep, this mindset spoiled Kyrian Druids before they even had a chance to shine.

So many players worried about what’s on everyone elses plate, even other “druids”, crying for nerfs.

I think if they were to change anything, it should along the lines of how they handled drums in TBCC. Give the person effected (not the priest) a ‘sated’ effect.

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Keep it because watching people get shattered over a dps log is amusing.

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Havoc Demon Hunters:

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I’m doing the opposite so people can get over it already. lol

I just think the target other than the Priest shouldn’t get Haste. Haste, especially that much of it, has the biggest gameplay implications on most classes. If it were just a Vers buff for example, I wouldn’t be that against it, plus it would be way easier to balance and quantify the difference in logs.

That being said, my preferred solution is still to make it personal only, but I’m willing to compromise.

Clicking the “1 Polls available” button doesn’t do anything >.>

But if they are removing it from the logs, then noone would care.

That is Ion’s point and one of the options on the warcraft logs poll. Including it in the logs is what creates the problems because everyone focuses on that instead of the group utility

Im guessing they are busy. It took multiple refreshes before it finally popped up

But it still has severe gameplay implications to certain specs. That much Haste for a Fire Mage is huge to the point you outright don’t spec into a talent if you’re not getting PI. It literally changes how it plays.

PI is fine, people just need to stop caring about how big their epeen is and care more about killing the boss.

it’s kinda disappointing but maybe it needs to just be turned into a priest version of lust/hero. Parse chasers ruin everything.

I voted for Jill Stein

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The bad thing is that if in DF the Warlock destro is repeated with his tier or by X spells (I’ll assume that the Evoker), it will make people exclusively carry only priests (which gives them a lot of advantage compared to other healers who do not have with powerful buff abilities except Rshammy)