Don’t think it means Khadgar is dead, it could mean literally anything. It could even be that they’re under the impression that he might’ve done, or perhaps he got captured. Who knows.
Deserved and you were there to help the Jailer and on the side help Sylvanas get immortality. Attacking literal Hitler on a secret mission even when there’s a “greater threat” is not a bad thing, it’s cutting out the rats and traitors. Or did you forget how she literally abandoned the Horde to die to the old gods when it was convenient?
I’m honestly half convinced that novel was retconned because it’s NEVER mentioned in game and outright contradicted by events in Legion. Sadly despite the books being a KEY source of lore they’re often retconned/ignored when it suits the writers.
Sometimes you have to accept you saw stuff that didn’t actually happen because of bad writing. Garrosh in Stonetalon, a TON of Wolfheart, and many quests that were later changed to play out differently, like the player helping keep Alexstrasa as a breeding slave by the orcs.
Developing the “Death to all the living” plague was Sylvanas. If you can’t control your hitler, you shouldn’t have made them part of your alliance. Germany was the enemy of the US when the US got pearl Harbored by the Japanese, same deal. The undead were the Horde’s responsibility.
to CAPTURE. EXPLICITLY told by garrosh TO NOT USE THE PLAUGE. Sylvanas does so anyway because the Horde can’t control their genocide faction in their ranks.
The Horde followed orders. Numenburg would suggest this isn’t allowed.
Never happened.
and those that didn’t try to pull a “kill or be killed” were imprisoned and later freed.
No you won’t. The quest does not play out like that since MoP.
It really was, Garrosh can and would have had the sunreavers steal more powerful relics after the bell if Jaina hadn’t done that and we’d be playing world of orcs instead when he succeeded.
He’s the one who REQUESTED it. He scolded her for not TALKING to him first- which if she had, they would have likely gotten the blood elves AND the sun reavers, as reparations AND to avoid eviction from Dalaran for stealing a WMD through a neutral city, left the Horde and joined the alliance. Even Lor’themar talks about how Garrosh forcing him to do this and Jaina’s response screwed him from leaving and joining the Alliance.
I know the story more than you think I do.
You cannot honestly compare Sylvanas’s actions to Jaina’s- and expect me to believe Sylvanas got the “Short end of the stick”. She was the main Horde character for THREE expansions, got to be a main villain in one, the MAJOR player in another with her own dedicated storyline for those who were loyal to her, and the warchief calling the shots in yet another. Even now when she’s “doing time” she gets references and a chance to talk to her loyalists in the undercity reclamation quests.
And the sunreavers GOT DALARAN BACK. Like you have to be blind or dumb in order to not see how unfair the treatment is. Jaina got kicked out of HALF OF HER OWN EXPANSION IN BFA WHILE SYLVANAS WAS DOING WHATEVER SHE WANTED DESPITE BEING BLATANTLY EVIL.
Varian DIES, the BIGGEST alliance character, and he’s gone FOR GOOD and Vol’jin gets to come back as a force ghost constantly interfering despite death and you’re telling me there’s “alliance bias”???
First death? Second death?
Rookie numbers. When I die, Bwonsamdi laughs and tells me to get back in the fight
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Wrong, we (the players) were there to get the Aegis of Aggramar. We had no idea that Sylvanas was helping the Jailer. To our knowledge, she was trying to get more Val’kyr.
More like making your world more vulnerable by attacking someone with whom you have a common enemy with.
It was never retconned and it was acknowledged several times in game.
One instance of which was in Val’sharah when you are helping Jarod Shadowsong find Maiev, he mentions that she murdered innocents.
Because the Alliance totally hasn’t had it’s fair share of traitors right?
You could argue that Arthas was the alliance’s responsibility yet how exactly did things go down?
Glad we are getting somewhere, so you acknowledge that invading/taking over Gilneas was under Garrosh’s orders.
She did so in order to reduce Forsaken casualties. Garrosh was going to have her people wiped out.
You should really read the Edge on Night short story.
And they eventually rebelled and made Sylvanas leave the Horde.
Yes it did, you can literally see Jaina shooting fireballs at Blood Elves just running in the streets. You also see a Sunreaver NPC being dangled over a shark in the sewers.
Tell that to the shopkeepers, the guy trying to just withdraw his money from the bank then leave peacefully, and the guy from the sewers I mentioned above.
Also, we have no confirmation that the Sunreavers she imprisoned were released.
It currently does play out like that.
https://imgur.com/KJPSSXF
I just now took this screenshot.
Tell that to Varian someone whom has hated the Horde for a while.
Incorrect, he wanted the Kirin Tor to be part of the Alliance.
Clearly you don’t if you think Varian requested for Jaina to go full psycho and order a genocide on innocent civillians that had nothing to do with Garrosh’s loyalists or his actions.
If you think Sylvanas gave a singular crap about the Legion when she was working with the Jailer and trying to betray ODIN, ALSO OUR ALLY, you’re delusional. She was planning on manipulating us since Legion started with the whisper to Vol’jin.
Not really, and any who were have been dealt with properly. Sylvanas went on a long time doing obviously traitorous, duplicitous things.
This was when the Alliance had officially split up and stopped working together prior to the reformation.
Absolutely not and you know it. She’s been working with the jailer since wrath ended. Her use of the plague was to cause more deaths. Even without that knowledge, her use of the plague was known to make areas uninhabitable and was completely excessive.
Probably should have given what you all end up doing later. Though I’m not going to sit here and lie to you that I think the Jailer was planned back then.
What? No? She just left for no reason in BFA while she was warchief because it had come time to join the Jailer after literally winning the Mak’gora. ONE undead glared at her and not in a “You’re betraying us” manner but in a “Stop saying the quiet part out loud” way. Undead are literally joyless mass murderers since Vanilla.
Re do the quest. you don’t.
Go talk to the silver covenant about that one.
Again, not Jaina. Go talk to the Silver Covenant. I’m not defending traitor blood elves.
So clearly a bug because she says “we don’t tolerate insurection” which is what she says when one of them attacks her, but it’s proccing on a npc that’s not doing his attacking script. Insane how even the wiki gets this right (go check the wiki, literally says only blood elves canonically killed resisted arrest), but the game can bug out like this.
you’re not getting what I’m saying.
factually correct, go check the story again, or just use the wiki.
Nah I’m done with your strawmen and bad faith.
Go away, I never said this, never implied this, and I gave you the fact and you choose to be disingenuous and argue past me. Go talk to someone who cares for that kind of crap.
Varian asked Jaina to get rid of the Sunreavers. Point blank. Jaina did not go “full psycho” OR a genocide, the fact she IMPRISONED people MEANS IT’S NOT A GENOCIDE. and NO innocents were harmed THAT IS STRAIGHT UP FACTUAL.
Go take your “alternative facts” elsewhere bro, your head canon is not worth my time.
You can tell a LOT of a person when their forum account is private so it’s harder to block them, and they have no less than 5 identical undead rogue’s with the same name across different servers so that when you DO block them, they can alt hop and harass you AFTER you put them on ignore.
You need help.
She definitely did.
Odin, our ally? Have you played DF.
Incorrect.
Aedelas Blackmoore
Garithos
Perenolde
Arthas
Need I say more?
Doesn’t really matter. Terenas could have easily shut Arthas down after learning about Stratholme, instead he lets him go to Northrend.
Wrong, you should read the Sylvanas novel.
She met the Jailer after Wrath but didn’t sign on with him until Legion when she was made Warchief.
I mean, I just posted a screenshot of her attacking fleeing Blood Elves in the streets of Dalaran.
They gleefully took part in the purge due to them hating the Sunreavers, not much else to say here.
If it were a bug, surely it would’ve been fixed more than 10 years later.
I don’t think you understand the fact that Jaina was totally unhinged and unfettered in MoP.
Literally Varian kept chiding her multiple times.
Nope, he never told Jaina to attack the Sunreavers outright, hence why he gets mad at her for it after finding out.
Pretty ironic statement here considering what comes next from your post:
It’s not factual considering the in game proof there is. On the Alliance side, you are told to kill a couple of shopkeepers and someone who is trying to withdraw his money from the bank.
You absolutely did.
It’s not head canon. It’s being able to look at things objectively.
But yours is also set to private?
What are you talking about?
good bout time hes dead… took too long… cackle