G’morning to ya. I was just having a spot of tea and I thought about how people want the faction conflict back and others say they don’t because it’s “boring”. I just wanted to have a place to discuss that further.
Warcraft was supposed to be a warhammer game. As some of us know, warhammer involves never ending war. Warhammer seems to still be popular despite not being about anything besides constant battle. Personally, I enjoyed the zaniness of the pointless tug of war we had going, but obviously others are tired of it.
So what should be done? Is Warcraft better with war or peace? Is it possible to make both sides happy? If we do have never ending war how do we keep it feeling fresh and entertaining? Why or why not?
Honestly, given what the Horde helped do to the NEs I can not understand how there wouldn’t be bad blood between them for a long, long time. Hell allowing them to even be around the new World Tree is just wrong.
Because Tyrande understood what revenge was going to cost her in Shadowlands and that the path to peace means laying down your hate if you want to build your future. I’m not saying they forgave them, but taking the steps to allow them to begin to make up for it is reasonable.
Ultimately the only way to end the cycle of revenge is not to keep killing until you balance the scales, or punishing the other side until it happens because you can’t, it will never happen and can’t. They’re just choosing to end the cycle by trying to be constructive instead of destructive.
So if the Horde wants to help, let them, but it’s only a step, not outright total forgiveness. It’s an effort on both parts to try to begin something different.
I know it’s a bit meta, but there’s only so much fault you can give to the characters/the Horde.
They were around long before the writers who butchered them came along and screwed everything up, starting during the War of Thorns. The Horde committed genocide not because they were the Horde, but because Blizzard gave writers with all the narrative skill of 12 year old fanboys writing fan fiction complete control of the story.
Metzen’s back, call me a foolish idealist, but I’m hoping War Within is going to be a fresh narrative start… and I’m gonna personally do everything I can to forget the moronic nonsense that has been the story from BFA onward to help.
I didn’t say they should still be at war with them, I said there should be “bad blood” between them. And you can’t say that they were actually “helping” the NEs, as their world and interests aligned with ours. By saving the new world tree they saved their own lands from being destroyed.
Personally, I hope the NE lands are closed off from the Horde once they go live next patch. There is no way the NEs would willingly welcome them.
There’s nothing to discuss. The Warcraft universe has always been about fighting for peace but between deep-running hatred for others and foes that supersede any conflict, it never was properly addressed. When leaders of both the Alliance and Horde has sat down at a table for diplomatic talk it has ALWAYS been in furtherance of peace.
There’s nothing to discuss. Just endless trolls who don’t get any of the game(s), the lore, the stories, or the players arguing in bad faith because they are using Flat Earth-levels of rhetorical logic. Compare “It has the word War in Warcraft therefore the game always has to be about faction conflict” and “It is called the Antarctic Circle and not the Antarctic Continent, ergo it has to be an ice wall circling the world’s oceans”.
Ya’ll who keep arguing or pretending there’s even a debate here are the flat earthers of Warcraft.
No it isn’t. Nor was it ever meant to be a “Warhammer” game, it was inspired by it sure. Just like how it was inspired by Tolkien and Lemmings. I kid you not. Decided to do a quick Google and apparently that’s one of the inspirations for The Lost Vikings which was an inspiration of Warcraft.
Ergo… Lemmings inspired World of Warcraft.
These forums should be shut down since it is just the same trolls repeating the same ol’ tirade of threads again and again (of course I’m being hyperbolic but threads like these certainly make a good argument for it). There is discussions one can have about this topic, but I’m firmly convinced that those discussions can’t be had on these forums because none of the threads on this topic has ever had any better argument than “But it has the word War in the title! Sure, let’s ignore everything else like theme, stories, characters, and even the rest of the titles, but it has Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar in the name!”
Just drop it, especially since it ain’t even Sunday yet.
A short answer would have sufficed. You seem to be very Irate over this. Why even comment if you know what’ll be about? Also Warcraft WAS supposed to be a warhammer game but Blizzard never got the rights so they changed it up a bit, google it.
To think, “Death and Return of Superman” and “Justice League Task Force” are why they decided to forgo it, because they hated working on licensed games. And let’s face it, they dodged a bullet cause Games Workshop licenses are notoriously agonizing to work on.
I know. And I also know that it never came to be. Precisely because of that. Meaning that they either scrapped it or developed it into their own thing. “Warcraft” was never supposed to be a Warhammer thing, the game they developed but never got the rights to was but that they then made into Warcraft.
It is the same reason as to why Overwatch can’t be referred to as a MMO just because it was built for years to be one prior to the name Overwatch even existing. The assets of Project Titan was used to develop and help create Overwatch, but Overwatch was never a MMO.
That makes for a world of difference.
That was a short answer. What, should I just say “No, you dumb, no war, peace good, good character growth, disliked by Azaroth flat earthers” and you would get it just the same?
It is annoying I can agree with that, but no. I’m not irate over you being exceedingly silly. The most one can say is that it is tiring.
Good question. Answer: this is a forum.
Why make a thread if you know there’s five billion other threads just like this that never got anywhere either? Several of which you commented on as well (I remember your DK Orc + Pauldrons and that triggered me to remember your name, just to explain).
It’s always been very mysterious that Games Workshop which is insanely lawyer trigger happy has not once sued Blizzard over any similarities when they’ve done it before so whatever went on between them there may be the answer why.
That be a good way for never ending war. The skaven would never do anything that didn’t involve the eradication of all non skavens. Even when it’s just them, they’re fighting amongst themselves.