No they weren’t. No highborne for survived the Sundering with the Kaldorei settled in Eldre’Thalas. That is your headcanon that has no basis in Lore and no facts to back it up.
Right. Because neither knew they other survived.
A “few years.” And they didn’t just “Abandon it” either. The Shen’dralar had to literally risk sacrificing everything to win the Kaldorei over. And Obivously, Tyrande didn’t just abandon her distrust of the Arcane wholesale.
Try reading the damn book. I am not going to go through this entire book to find that account.
Every New generation sees things differently. Vestia Moonspear is a prime example: I was once a priestess, but I’ve always been a scholar. The chance to learn from the Highborne seemed more valuable than practicing strict ignorance. What’s more most of the apprentices here are youths who came of age during the third war. They need guidance, wisdom…I only wish those who used to call me friend understood.
There has always been a desire within some Night Elves to learn the Arcane.
It wasn’t like it was completely expunged from their culture. They CHOSE not to pursue it for the greater good but not everyone agreed with the ban.
No, it hasn’t. More of your headcanon.
I’ve had it with your toxicity. YOU start this every time but start blaming others when you’re losing an argument.
Vaguely. It’s still worn as a sign of unity of the Alliance with the Pandaran, not with Stormwind.
Again, it does make sense because it was the Valiance Vanguard who also came through the Portal at the Start of Draenor. They had the Title as well, though these soldier’s do not. But the same principle still applies. They joined the Alliance assault as members of that army.
And you claiming human homogenization doesn’t make it so.
You want to argue that there is a bit of an overload of human themes on the game, resulting is a lack of focus on another race? Sure, That’s fair.
But you can not genuinely argue that any other race, especially not the Night Elves, are in ANY WAY suffering some kind of “erasure” of culture or theme as a result of it.
The CLOSEST you can argue is that Night Elves took a massive hit with BfA. But that’s entirely on Blizzard’s bad writing REGARDLESS of what they did with humans. The two concepts are not interconnected. They’re parallel.
The concepts are interconnected. Teldrassil happened because Blizzard wanted to catapult Jaina and Anduin’s arcs as heroes, and they used it as the parity event for Lordaeron.
In short, we lost the core of the Night Elves geographical presence, forcing the entire population into refugee status to motivate the humans, who are now presented as lecturing Tyrande on what to do with the Horde. In the meantime, there has been a consistent drumbeat of sanding away Night Elf cultural practices, and humanizing them.
Do we see this in reverse? Does a human paladin renounce his ways and follow Elune? Do we see humans in Kaldorei tabards or humans having to even learn from Kaldorei? Not really - it’s all one-directional, because again, Blizzard has established that humans will and should dominate the Alliance, militarily, diplomatically, and yes, culturally.
No, they do - and Worgen players are right to complain about similar cultural bulldozing happening from the Kaldorei to their culture. I don’t think anyone’s culture should be bulldozed, but, as you suggested, the gilnean example doesn’t undo the problem of Stormwind military, diplomatic, and cultural domination.
Regarding block 2, your imagination is not what I’m asking for. I’m asking for what was portrayed.
As for block 1 - I disagree strongly. The trope is pretty basic. It’s called the “Women in Refrigerators” trope, and Night Elves were subjected to it - again, for the benefit of humans.
A race would have to have a culture before they can lose it.
Actually, I’ve been racking my brain to think of something and I was sure I read something similar to what you’re asking for but I can’t recall the specifics. Thus, I don’t put it forth as an example, though i reserve the right to address it once I remember it.
I know there’s instances of Humans adopting Troll and Blood Elf motifs… Though that’s not quite what you’re asking and can be problematic in other ways.
That’s just asinine. Despite your feelings, every race, including humans, have played the role of victim for the sake of the story.
To suggest that Night Elves exist SOLELY to be the Victims is absurd.
I initially misread your last point, hence the deleted post.
Unfortunately, I do disagree with that last point. That is the narrative purpose that Blizzard established for us - and again, they did that so that humans would be motivated to avenge us, and later to chastise us as Tyrande goes “too far” during her “consumed by vengeance” arc. The narrative abuses this playable race concept endures are explicitly for the humans’ benefit, and I’m sick of being someone else’s foil.
Essentially, this has become our anthem because the Night Elves served, as Wreave on Scrolls of Lore put it, the bumper to the Alliance’s car. Really, it’s the bumper to the humans’ car.
Why is it not? Did the Night Elves not lose their capitol for little reason other than human motivation? Is Anduin not lecturing Tyrande on why she shouldn’t go after the Horde in the sort of condescending tone that forms the essence of mansplaining?
Like I said, your interpretation is your interpretation. (And I don’t appreciate pulling out a sexist trope like that do justify your interpretation. That is NOT what mansplaining is or should be used like that.)
Arcane users that didn’t leave with Dath’remar were.
Good lord, you don’t even know the lore lol.
The Shen’dralar “Those who stay hidden” would have been killed had the Kaldorei of known. Hense why they had to “Stay hidden”
Doing what?
You are literally trying to argue set knowns in the lore…
She is an example of Blizzard abandoning the mores of Kaldorei society, so they can further homogenize faction races and make them easier to write.
Only because blizzard wrote them that way after establishing the mores and folkways centered around anti arcane and religious zeal.
You are trying to say the Kaldorei have been 100% consistent since WC3? You are delusional.
This was your response to me. You started this. Because for some reason, you are increasingly defensive over humanity imposing their culture on the other race. As if you want the Alliance to be one big monolith of humanity.
Yeah, there’s definitely a downside to what’s known as “hard world-building” and the “Cosmological Chart” we get at the beginning of the Chronicle books.
Sometimes there is such a thing as “too much information” when it comes to culture, and less is more.
