Wait, there's seriously no penalty for leaving a key?

I mean, this guy literally said it

Absolutely not. This is not a competitive PvP mode where your ranking can go up and down based on performance. It is literally impossible to get your score “back up” as the score is determined only by your highest key completions per dungeon and +2 affix. That you suggested otherwise even more proof you have 0 idea what you are talking about.

Also, it doesn’t if you are based on reality.

M+ isn’t based on performance…? What…?

I’ve advocated for charges on a key in the past and I think that one charge as bad luck protection would be a very positive change to the system.

I’ve seen this too, and it’s just not the way to do it. Let’s say I’m running in the 12-13 range and decide to help a guildie smash some 4-6 keys for gear and we hit a streak where the keys just don’t time. What’s my IO penalty? In this case, it’s not that I’m going to be more choosy about groups, it’s that I’m just not going to help others with bb keys on the off chance that one doesn’t time and my IO gets tanked.

The biggest flaw of rating penalties is that it incentivizes people to push one dungeon at a time. No more variety.

The penalty wouldn’t be for not timing the key. It would be for leaving and not at least completing. Or there’d be a vote system so it’s not down to one or two players trolling.

I just find it ironic that the argument against this tends to be: “Why would I want to waste my time in a depleted key?” vs. “Oh just grind your key back to a 14 it’ll take no time at all, stop whinging.”

Ah well, choose better groups to join then and you won’t waste time in bricked keys.

The penalty wouldn’t be for not timing the key. It would be for leaving and not at least completing. Or there’d be a vote system so it’s not down to one player trolling.

It’s not logically consistent to penalize people that leave, but not people who go over time, if you were to adopt such system.

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lol, I’m pretty sure I’ve said both of these in the past. :smiley:

This one too:

I mean, I don’t have issue with leavers and I’ve ran hundreds of keys, so I guess I’m super lucky or I just make better groups than others :person_shrugging:

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Logic was never involved in this idea.

Okay big brain. :ok_hand:

The quote you posted was a follow-up to you arguing that people don’t tend to leave good keys:

So if you want to remove all context of the thread and cherry-pick just that one sentence, then sure. But if we actually take the context of the exchange, then Snozex didn’t say that leaving keys never happens.

But let’s even say he did. Does that one line somehow negate the rest of my rebuttal to what you claimed? Do you have a response to my assessment that trolling would likely increase if M+ had a leaver penalty? Or are you content to just leave it with picking apart semantics of a cherry-picked sentence?

Yes. And? He said it never happens when it absolutely does.

Fine, you keep believing he said never despite me linking the actual conversation.

Do you want to respond to my actual point, or just keep deflecting? I’ll link it below for your convenience:

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Link whatever you want. He still claimed it never happens…

No. Not interested. That’s why I didn’t bother the first time.

Well, since he’s not interested, I’ll respond. That’s the outcome that would definitely happen, and judging by his responses that is probably the outcome he would most enjoy.

Sure. Definitely. Case closed. No further citation needed.

You suggested a system to reduce someone’s rating permanently, until the end of the season, if they leave a key. Citations don’t matter at this point, you either have 0 understanding of the systems or are actively trolling.

No I didn’t…
I’m going to call you 85 from now on.

Well, let’s get another quote for you to ignore.

This you?

Do you see the word permanently there at all? I don’t. Weird.