Wait, there's seriously no penalty for leaving a key?

nothing is stopping me from talking about keys either.

i’m in your thread criticizing your keys.
neener neener.

I’ll forgive people leaving when things are going seriously south and the timer is throughly borked. I’m not talking about that. You have committed the time, and not arrived at the goal. Using my driving example, it is like you hit a road block. There is no way to complete the driving, the person HAS to walk. But there are people who bounce because they simply don’t like what pulls the tank is choosing in spite of it being a valid route, or someone dies on the second pull.

yea…

I think maybe it’s time to stop engaging with this person.

While true, no one is taking you seriously because you dont have any credbility.

I mean if you enjoy embarrassing yourself feel free to knock yourself out.

I mean its entertaining watching people show how clueless they are.

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what do you think about the keys being tradeable?

on the AH and everything?

There is not a single chance you are not trolling if you are suggesting that.

I want free gold. Won’t mind it.

really?

players ‘fish’ for keys all the time.

we would trade the refresh-spamming for an actually functional system.

it’s how we play the game, despite pretending it’s not. we look for specific keys, at specific levels.

Nobody is taking away your ability to leave a group, but more than that, the point I’m stating is that WoW isn’t any less toxic simply because you can leave. This game’s community is famously terrible. Your ability to leave doesn’t change that.

TBH in some groups you can tell if its going to be a struggle bus on the first couple pulls.

I did a key earlier where the healer couldnt heal the single pull on a NoK 8. Let alone majority of groups double pull there. Im not going to waste my time and provide free carries as well.

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WOW is less toxic because you can leave, since if you can’t, it would be more.

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Do you have any valid evidence to support that claim?

I spent quite a lot of time flaming my League teammates or finding ways to creatively lose. As well as campaigning to surrender.

And being able to sell high keys in the auction house would be a one-way ticket to constant complaint threads, way more failed keys, and be worse in every conceivable way.

Nah you just want to punish them because they dont want to carry you for free.

I mean if I cant leave without punishment my goal will be to make other people leave first so I dont incur the penalty which makes the game more toxic.

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I actually don’t understand all the criticism (you weren’t the first) for the guys sharing a reasonable suggestion just because he hasn’t played in a while? He was honest about his POV, so we can take his thoughts with that in mind. What’s wrong with that? Even if you don’t agree with his suggestion, he wasn’t the first to suggest it, and it’s not all that outlandish.

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we have constant complaints already.

and they will never stop.

Deserter debuff being added in evidence of that

Complaints can always increase.

So:

  1. You use your purely anecdotal experience as evidence, which isn’t really evidence.
  2. In the same breath, you admit that you’re the problem.

Lmao okay.