And I agree that from a story telling standpoint, it is nice to see the alliance not being golden children for once… but I simply don’t agree with the line of logic, that the Vulpera deserved it, or asked for it.
Which is what I’m mainly trying to argue against.
This. But I think the same thing has now been said in about as many different ways I can think of to say it.
And long overdue, I think.
Which isn’t what I’m stating. I’m stating they are acting justified on some moral high ground. You don’t partner with the Horde and keep that. They are hypocrits, that’s all.
Again, not all horde members are genocidal maniacs, and the types of horde that are, would not be the ones at the recruitment drives. Lets be serious.
Horde has some problems, hopefully problems we can deal with shortly.
But just because the Vulpera took some jobs form the horde, because the hordes nearby, and literally saved their entire existance for the most part, doesn’t mean the Vulpera are Hypocrites for getting upset that the alliance literally just marches in, and without a word starts torching Vulpera and their supplies, and leaving the vulpera that don’t die horrible flamethrower based deaths to starve in the wilds of Volduun.
Normally I wouldn’t take this stance, but it’s because of this.
Lor’themar basically straight up says Slyvanas has the support of the people. If true, that’s a harsh reality about the Horde. I miss Thralls Horde, not this… whatever the heck this Horde is.
Goblins exist.
We’re puntable.
On topic, Vulpera would make little sense as a neutral race.
Goblins are puntable if you like your leg blown off, sure.
Goblins never fitted under that agenda for the fact…I am a goblin too 
I mean IRL that’s not how alliances works. People join the side that isn’t trying to kill them/is most beneficial to them.
For Vulpera that is the Horde. It’s not about Hypocrisy it’s about what’s good for your group as a whole. The Alliance has shown they do not respect Vulpera as equals, whereas the Horde has aided them immensely.
I doubt Tyrande would even have a peaceful debate with them, once the Alliance decides a Native Species needs culling they rarely stop to explain themselves or debate with the other side.
I hate Sylvanas’s character in this expansion and really every expansion after Wrath, I hate that the Horde has lost all semblance of normalcy and gone back to being the generic bad guy faction from Warcraft.
But that doesn’t change the fact that, you don’t negotiate with people who set you on fire. Tyrande is right to kill Horde in that sense, but Vulpera are also entitled to kill Alliance for the same reasons.
That’s just how it works, it’s not hypocrisy it’s common sense.
An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth only works if some greedy fool doesn’t decide to take the whole face. All actions have consequences, Alliance doesn’t get free war crime priveleges just because Horde are aggressors.
And if you actually raided you would hear Lor’themar pledge to join Thrall and Saurfang to take down Sylvanas after we defeat Ashzara.
You’re creating a lot of assumptions about the Vulpera based on your own moral compass. None of what you have superimposed on the Vulpera is evidenced in the game. They’re as to the Horde as High Elves are to the Alliance. They haven’t “joined” anything at this point.
Your passion is admirable as I too miss an honorable horde. Direct it away from Vulpera. Until they officially join up and become playable ON THE HORDE FACTION, they’re just background.
Yeah I’m not getting why anyone would think Vulpera would be neutral unless they’re daydreaming while questing. On Alliance side you’re fighting them and on Horde side you’re helping to defend them from the Alliance. Why would they be neutral?
Don’t raid as I don’t have time these days like I used to, but all that is available on youtube. All Lor’themar’s pledge means is he is aware that he is joining a rebellion against the majority of the Horde. That’s fine, that’s how most rebellions are. It doesn’t mean the majority of the Horde isn’t behind Sylvanas, because he realizes they are. They are on a mission to change minds.
And I also consider the Vulpera as background, the same as I consider Gilblins as background. One cannot however, deny that speculation regarding the AR status of these 2 races is fierce and heated. Personally? I feel the Vulpera or Gilblins would be fools to join the Horde, but I’ll be happily unlocking and playing either one given the chance.
I honestly think Sethrak should be the neutral race. Because Horde players helped them while they were leveling in Vol’dun and Alliance players help them during their war campaign as well. You just have to be Exalted with 7th Legion if Alliance and Honorbound if Horde. I don’t see a reason for Vulpera to be neutral bcuz I never see a quest available on my Alliance toon when I’m in Vol’dun.
Well, you did have quests related to them…just not in a good way. 
Having them as a neutral race is debatable due to their conflict with Vulpera. Mech gnomes however doesn’t have any conflict from either side which benefits them as a neutral race to the point Goblins like them more than regular gnomes.
Sethrak doesn’t have any ties too much with Alliance besides seeking for help to restore what was lost.
It’s been a while since I did the Vol’dun assault on an Alliance character but from what I remember, Alliance players don’t really interact with the Vol’dun vulpera much, if at all. It’s only NPCs that are terrorizing them.
Yeah, Gazlowe’s crew seems to actually LIKE the Junker Gnomes.
I think they are gonna be Neutral Allied race.
Yeah I got that impression and I was on an Alliance toon at the time. Gazlowe’s crew REALLY like the Junker Gnomes. Methinks Blizz is trying to tell us something.
I got my name saved for them.